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post #1 of 17 Old 06-02-2015, 04:34 PM Thread Starter
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Bestop Pavement Ends Sprint Top - Waste of Money

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Sorry for the really long post. Kinda pissed off.

I have to say, I am extremely disappointed with a recent purchase I made. Bestop has a product line call Pavement Ends. They have a top that is a less expensive version of the Trektop NX, called the Sprint Top.

The big differences are that the Sprint Top doesn't come with any bows or any rear straps. However, the Sprint Top is about $250 less than the NX top. I figured, same brand, same top, fewer parts making it more compact and cheaper... sounds like a win, right? Nope.

One of the biggest selling points for me was the "factory-quality sailcloth fabric". However, when the top showed up, it was much, much thinner and softer. I figured "eh, its Bestop. It will be fine". So I cannibalize my factory top and install the Sprint Top.

The next problem(s), during the installation, I had to modify my original factory rear door surrounds, which was only discovered after spending more than an hour and a half trying to figure out why the top didn't fit. Go to find out, if you have the factory Sun Rider top on your 11+ JKU, there are several pieces that must be trimmed off the rear surrounds and filed smooth in order for the back of the top to seat correctly. That includes the metal safety latches, springs and pins that hold the top down when the Sun Rider is open, as well as the factory frame supports. Would have been nice if that was in the directions.

I finally get everything installed and it looks great. After I go for a 70 mile ride round trip to work, over 10 mph the fabric over the front seats (which looked flush and snug before I drove) balloons up about 6 inches and it sags a couple inches when I am stopped. It also flutters and makes a clanging sound.

Now, I don't want to sound too picky. I mean, I did buy a top with no bows, but it rained for a few hours and the sagging fabric acted like a big bowl. It filled with so much water in just one half hour that I couldn't get in the Wrangler without ducking down to the point where my eyes were even with the top of the steering wheel. Plus, the spring cable couldn't hold the weight and slipped over the edge of the surrounds and it was pissing water all over the inside of the Jeep.

I went to the local hardware store and bought four 6 foot fiberglass rods and I made my own bow over the front seats. The fabric is stretched so bad, that it looks like the hunchback of notre dame, but it is a must to support the fabric enough that it would flood.





Now that the front is fixed, we got about 1.5 inches of rain last night, so I had to go outside to fix this...





Looks like the front support is working great. Have fun trying to sit in the backseat though.






Put another bow in the back.





This is what it looks like from outside, after the repair.













A call to Bestop and an email to Pavent Ends division yielded 2 things. Email was ignored and on the phone I was told I installed the top incorrectly.

Bottom line... Don't waste any money on the Sprint Top.
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Sorry to hear you didn't realize you get what you pay for. Although Bestop makes the Mopar tops, the Bestop-branded tops are lesser quality than Mopar, and I can only imagine how much lower Pavement Ends products are. I know the simplicity of their bumpers, so I'm sure these fall in line.

Spend the extra Uncle Bucks next time and get the good stuff! Looks like you have an expensive Rubi there, no reason to start cheating out now.

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not to "rain" more on your gripe-parade, but take-it from another that fabbed his own bows for exactly the same 'bucket-pooling' issue; you've chosen a rod [round] bow-form and when you least expect it , those are gonna flip to an inverted,smile-shaped reverse bow on ya & you'll then have two orange opposite bows and it'll happen at the least practical time....you'll at least needvto lash three rods like that together to have it maintain outward bowing and - if youre stupid like me - nearly cut your hand off repairing thisv....isnt it RockSlide that makes a 'top-prop' flat bow of 2-3" wide strip of fiberglass so it isnt round and flops inverted under the top? it is worth the $ if you're gonna stickbw/ this for three seasons or more as i have....
these guys are right; pay the $ for quality cause there isnt one of these short of the expensive Mopar bikini top that isnt gonna pool 4 gallons of H2O on top and the flat bow is only solution to prevent the prop-rods you thought you originated from flipping downside-up

[edit: at least you have door surrounds to F-up....i run w/out them and it takes much stretching and not opening back doors w/out the driver loosening the straps to let my kids exit the Jeep during the Summer .... im getting a trektop and throwing my Bestop bikini/tonnau/wrap-around winjammer in garbage soon cause it just sucks too much. Sorry you learned this old lesson the hard way]


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www.offroadheros.com you can thank me later, no bows no leaks no flapping no issues whatsoever

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www.offroadheros.com you can thank me later, no bows no leaks no flapping no issues whatsoever
they are uber-nice tops but shouldnt you mention the seven month wait times and lack-of customer support that manufacturer is synonymous with ? Search the threads first to read about the ORH ,first man!


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they are uber-nice tops but shouldnt you mention the seven month wait times and lack-of customer support that manufacturer is synonymous with ? Search the threads first to read about the ORH ,first man!
I bought mine used from a local guy so I didnt have to deal with wait time. And I've never had to use his customer service so I can't vouch for either.

But the product is top notch for what that is worth.

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Sorry to hear you didn't realize you get what you pay for. Although Bestop makes the Mopar tops, the Bestop-branded tops are lesser quality than Mopar, and I can only imagine how much lower Pavement Ends products are. I know the simplicity of their bumpers, so I'm sure these fall in line.

Spend the extra Uncle Bucks next time and get the good stuff! Looks like you have an expensive Rubi there, no reason to start cheating out now.
Its not even a matter of "you get what you pay for" I paid for a bowless top that was factory quality and I was shipped a piece of crap.

But still... you're right. Lesson learned and that won't happen again.

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when you least expect it , those are gonna flip to an inverted
actually, the way I installed the bows in the door surround, they wedge between the roll bar and surround, slid into a whole that was cut specifically for the rod. The position of the whole vs. the roll bar prevents it from inverting. The fiberglass would literally have to snap before it would rotate out of position.

I'm still prone to get/make flat, raised bows because they will be more steady and look better. I just don't know if I am going to keep it.

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I bookmarked it. I'll research them a little and see.
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Vendor is giving me a refund. Thank God... I am shipping this piece of crap back.
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What vendor did you use? It seems as if they have good customer service and I like doing business with companies like that!
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I have a bestop sailcloth replaceatop that did the pooling im the back. But it still inflates like a damn balloon with air on. I was told its my warped header bar and it being installed wrong..
Bestop used to make sweet stuff. Now im not so sure

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So... I can't win for losing. I returned the Pavement Ends top and got a Trektop NX. No ballooning, no sagging, no flapping. Everything is running great, until...

For the first time, I took the doors off, took the NX windows out, and went for a ride with the top on. Now, I see images all over the net showing rear tie-down straps for the tail of the top (image below as example), but mine didn't come with any. I figure, no big deal. If they don't come with them anymore, maybe they fixed the problem... WRONG.

I drive about 4 miles and the wind managed to stretch and break not one, but both plastic clips, almost simultaneously. Then, the back third of my top starts flapping around like Superman's cape.

Seriously, WTLF??? Any idea on how I can secure this top? Maybe a lead on what the straps are called and where I can buy them? Any help will be appreciated.

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Looks like that's for a 2 door or a different top? My 4 door Trektop NX doesn't have any straps like that for the back. Got a picture of your rear bar that connects to the metal bracket at the very back?

Done multiple trips on the freeway for a couple of hours with no doors or back windows and haven't had any problems except for a small hole on the driver side where the zipper is is stitched to the top. Top is 3 years old.

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I paid the extra for the Trektop NX Twill for my unlimited. I have to say I can't complain one bit. It's just as quiet as a hard top and it seems to run fine in just about every variation... though, I haven't tested it at length with the doors off, I will be driving it a few hours this weekend without the doors. I don't believe mine came with straps like pictured. It has an aluminum bar braced by steel brackets at the first top break in the roll-bar, to which the back window also attaches and then is locked down on the back the same way the factory top is. Is this an update to this strap design?

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... Got a picture of your rear bar that connects to the metal bracket at the very back?...
I'll take a few pictures later. I'm going to run to the craft store and see what I can come up with.

I can tell you the bar is very loose in the brackets... but the problem isn't the bar moving, its that the plastic clips have completely broken. Like the plastic on one clip snapped in two and the other clip stretched to the point that in the bend, the plastic turned white from stretching.

I'm going to have to invent a new solution no matter what.
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I'm going to run to the craft store and see what I can come up with.
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Hope you get this frustrating mess taken care of asap. What a pita.

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LOL!!!

Got 2 metal clips, riveted them into the fabric... life is good.
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