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Do I need a drop pitman or high steer?

Is a high steer kit the same thing as a drag link flip kit?

Our JKU is at a local (off road community respected) dealership having an alignment done and I have a question. They are recommending we install a drop pitman arm, but I have always heard not to do that amongst the Jk community. We DO NOT have a drop bracket on our track bar so a drop pitman does not make sense to me however they are highly recommending it to counter our bump steer issues.

So should we follow their recommendation and put one in or should we just do a high steer kit?

Also if we do go with the high steer.....what is the difference between a high steer upgrade, and a full drag link flip kit?

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i would not do drop pitman arm... what size lift are you running ?
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i would not do drop pitman arm... what size lift are you running ?
Its a 4" Zone lift.

Edit: and its heavily weighted down with a full compliment of RROR under body armor. So it does not actually lift the Jeep 4" but either way its a 4" kit.

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I would definitely say a high steer kit. A drop pitman arm is basically a longer lever that increases stress on the sector shaft in the steering box. A broken sector shaft isn't really repairable on the trail without a spare steering box. Any decent high steer kit like the one from Evo or AEV would be fine. They use a stock drag link from a right hand drive JK that you flip to the top of the knuckle, and a bracket that raises the track bar. If you'd rather use an after market drag link they are other great kits out there for that as well from Poly Performance and Rock Krawler.

AEV

http://www.aev-conversions.com/shop/...high-steer-kit


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http://www.northridge4x4.com/suspens...ip-kit-evo1071

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http://www.rockkrawler.com/ProductDe...ctCode=RK02681


Poly

http://www.polyperformance.com/Syner...teer-Drag-Link

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high steer upgrade, and a full drag link flip kit are the same thing basically . thats what i would do .. something like this would be a good choice

rock krawler

http://www.rockkrawler.com/ProductDe...ctCode=RK02681

or

http://www.polyperformance.com/Syner...teer-Drag-Link



here is some more info

https://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82213

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thanks guys much appreciated, we will probably go with the synergy kit you mentioned block since we already have a RK front track bar, and synergy tie rod bar. I really like the synergy tie rod bar as its pretty stout so I would trust their drag link also! Thanks again!
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Hey guys, I'm currently in this situation as well. I installed Rusty's 3.25 " coils with 3/4" spacer and purchased a RK Adj Track Bar. I didn't think about the drag link binding until I was done, so I purchased the RE 2610 Drag Link. I don't have a reamer, which I wasn't told I needed until I opened the box. What would be the difference if I purchased a drop Pitman Arm and leave the Drag Link underneath ( other than the potential of breaking the arm) as opposed to raising the axle end of the track bar? Wouldn't the geometry still be correct?
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You need a TB relo bracket as well.
There's mixed opinions on a DPA or flip. Geometry wise flipping the drag link and raising the TB is a better way to do it.

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Hey guys, I'm currently in this situation as well. I installed Rusty's 3.25 " coils with 3/4" spacer and purchased a RK Adj Track Bar. I didn't think about the drag link binding until I was done, so I purchased the RE 2610 Drag Link. I don't have a reamer, which I wasn't told I needed until I opened the box. What would be the difference if I purchased a drop Pitman Arm and leave the Drag Link underneath ( other than the potential of breaking the arm) as opposed to raising the axle end of the track bar? Wouldn't the geometry still be correct?
You can get an adapter so you don't have to ream. Just drill the knuckle, drop in the adapter(add a spot weld or two) and done.

Synergy makes one for sure, I used it on my old knuckles.

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Ok, I purchased a Rough Country TB bracket and the taper. I installed the bracket already and I have hella bump steer and wandering. I have to find a 7/8" drill bit, HD and Lowes didn't have one, in order to install the RE flip kit. Can you give me some pointers on measuring the body to make sure the TB is adjusted correctly?
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Ok, I purchased a Rough Country TB bracket and the taper. I installed the bracket already and I have hella bump steer and wandering. I have to find a 7/8" drill bit, HD and Lowes didn't have one, in order to install the RE flip kit. Can you give me some pointers on measuring the body to make sure the TB is adjusted correctly?
Did u do anything control arm wise?

Harbor freight has a inexpensive drill bit kit with that size in it.

There are multiple threads on centering the axle.

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The Synergy flip kit and tie rod are the best out there...my opinion of course. Teraflex also came out with a nice kit...I haven't had a chance to evaluate it yet, but my guess it is a top notch piece.
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Do I need a drop pitman or high steer?

You can buy a Drill bit kit at Harbor freight.

Measure from the top of the coil perch to a common point On each tire.

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My transmission went out so had to get that replaced first. Planned on working on this today. Got the bit in, ordered from Amazon. I'll add an update tonight if I actually get to work on it.
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