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post #1 of 37 Old 01-12-2010, 12:02 AM Thread Starter
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Ok I give, anyone willing to give a lift/tire opinions to a noob?

Well, I've been lurking and searching here and elsewhere for a while now. I never realized modifying this Jeep would be more difficult than the several grand I put into my Mustang. I was hoping maybe you guys could help steer me a little bit here, because each time I think I have a plan, I seem to find information that leads me to believe that plan is... bad, lol.

So here is where I'm at. The Jeep is stock (except for a Superchips flashpaq which I got for Christmas from my better half). Its an '09 Rubicon 2-door with an automatic. As much as I'd love to 'wheel this thing, lets face it, its just not going to happen that often as I'm currently stuck in Dallas, Texas. I plan to move back out west because I miss it terribly, but that might be another 2 years (kid in high school here, etc). So for now, its going to be 98% 'mall' unfortunately.

I really don't need additional capability over a standard Rubi for my purposes, but I would like to lift the Jeep up a bit, level it out, and fit some larger tires under it. I have been thinking about 315/75/16s which are about a 34.5" I believe. Is there any level of lift that I can do to this Jeep that isn't going to trigger a chain reaction of additional mods or premature failure of stock components? Its my daily driver at the moment, and I really just want it to remain reliable. I can afford to fix it if it breaks, but I'd just rather not go there now. Can I go with something like a 2" - 2.5" spacer lift or other <insert lift here you may know about> with which I'd be able to run those 34.5's without putting stress on the driveshaft(s) etc etc etc? If not, what about just running 33x12.5's on 16" wheels and clearing those off-road? I just want to make sure if I do 'wheel it, that I'm not easily rubbing all over the place.

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Well, this is easy. Since you have a Jeep you have a crazy good wheeling rig allready. Just do the 2" - 2.5" spacer lift and go 35" tires and you are done. You will be on the stock springs so ride won't change and it will still be very reliable. No "chain reaction" (like I'm into right now) Also, some good wheeling in the Dallas area. Let me know if you need info on where to wheel.

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Cool man, thanks for the info. I'm not a stranger to modifying vehicles, but just new to the Jeep stuff. I am very familiar with the mod "slippery slope" and I'd like to just avoid that on this Jeep for a couple of years anyway. Do you have any recommendations on the spacer lift in terms of brand?

And yeah, any 'wheeling info you might have for Dallas area would be cool. I've been thinking about looking around for a local Jeep club, but just haven't gotten around to it yet...

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Here is just one brand of spacer lift. They are all around 2" to 2.5" and don't cost much.
http://www.offroaders.com/directory/...-Superlift.htm

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go with a 2.5" teraflex spring/shock kit and 35s....that's what I did with BLUERUBI (look at the link below for more pictures of what your Jeep would look like).

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id defently do the 2.5 spring and shock lift by teraflex. teraflex spring ride better than stocl imo and they'll hold aftermarket bumpers better.

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I seem to keep reading that the 2.5" spring/shock lift on a 2-door is going to yield more than 2.5" of lift in the end and will put me on the track to problems with both the front and rear shafts..? That is exactly what I was trying to avoid... I really just wanted to take a small step for starters to improve the stance of the vehicle. I know the tendency is there to want to go as extreme as possible, but really that just doesn't make sense for me at the moment. If I can get some 33's or preferably 35's under there and maintain stock-like reliability, that will be a win for now. Later on I would probably go all out...

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I seem to keep reading that the 2.5" spring/shock lift on a 2-door is going to yield more than 2.5" of lift in the end and will put me on the track to problems with both the front and rear shafts..? That is exactly what I was trying to avoid...
The Teraflex lifts will typically give you more height than what's advertised. This is to compensate for bumpers, winches, gear, and big heavy spares.

On the two door you will run into poor DS angles quickly. I don't know that the 2.5" will put you there though. You'd have to find out from someone running it.
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Well, this is easy. Since you have a Jeep you have a crazy good wheeling rig allready. Just do the 2" - 2.5" spacer lift and go 35" tires and you are done. You will be on the stock springs so ride won't change and it will still be very reliable. No "chain reaction" (like I'm into right now) Also, some good wheeling in the Dallas area. Let me know if you need info on where to wheel.
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The Teraflex lifts will typically give you more height than what's advertised. This is to compensate for bumpers, winches, gear, and big heavy spares.

On the two door you will run into poor DS angles quickly. I don't know that the 2.5" will put you there though. You'd have to find out from someone running it.
Yeah I've been researching exactly this and have found many reports of people having issues with the 2.5" kits. Some got 50 yards onto a trail and ripped the front boot, some had their rear shafts last 20,000 miles before dying, etc. Apparently these problems are mostly on the 2-doors. I was hoping to perhaps avoid those issues for now with just a spacer lift. The logic being that the spacer lift can't possibly lift the thing more than the height of the spacers... I could be off base though.

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If you want to avoid hitting the 2.5" mark you could look into putting 4dr higher rated rubi springs on and that will net you 1.5-2" from peoples testimony. Do a search for rubi springs on standard x and you should find info on it. Also, aberle offroad (vendor here) has an aluminum 2" puck spacer for like $150.

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I have the TF 2.5 and Rubi springs and the results are no problems. See my pic.


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IMO, go with the TeraFlex 2.5" BB. Cheap, simple, effective and you are guaranteed ONLY 2.5" of lift. There are a few minor things to add such as longer swaybar links (just get longer rears and move the original rear links up front), shock extensions and either longer brake lines or the extension brackets. You will eventually want to add either adjustable trackbars or trackbar brackets but this is not a showstopper.


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It really doesn't matter much honestly. I could dump $5k+ into the thing. I really just don't need additional capability right now however, so while I *could* go all out, all I'm looking to do is just get a better stance, and a cooler look, without sacrificing stock reliability and also without rubbing like mad in some light wheeling. I know for a fact I won't be doing any hardcore wheeling any time soon, so why outlay the cash? I have a few things I still want for my Mustang as well, and given this Jeep is my daily driver in the end, I just don't want to inflict too much change on it for now. When we move out west within the next few years, I'll pull the ripcord...

I had been set to do the Teraflex 2.5" with the springs and new shocks and 35's, but now I've found all sorts of info saying on a 2-door, thats basically initiating the timebomb on the front and rear axles (the front, particularly because I have an auto, the rear because of the extreme angle of the shaft given the lift will do more than 2.5" in reality).

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IMO, go with the TeraFlex 2.5" BB. Cheap, simple, effective and you are guaranteed ONLY 2.5" of lift. There are a few minor things to add such as longer swaybar links (just get longer rears and move the original rear links up front), shock extensions and either longer brake lines or the extension brackets. You will eventually want to add either adjustable trackbars or trackbar brackets but this is not a showstopper.

and better yet- you can get that whole kit (minus the front TB bracket/adj TB) from TF for $300.

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IMO, go with the TeraFlex 2.5" BB. Cheap, simple, effective and you are guaranteed ONLY 2.5" of lift. There are a few minor things to add such as longer swaybar links (just get longer rears and move the original rear links up front), shock extensions and either longer brake lines or the extension brackets. You will eventually want to add either adjustable trackbars or trackbar brackets but this is not a showstopper.

Yeah I've been looking at that one on their site. They do have a BB variant that comes with shocks also. Do you guys have any opinions on whether that would be worth it? Given that I'd still be using the stock springs, I assume the maximum lift would still be 2.5"? I would think perhaps the shocks might offer more articulation...

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In addition to the other ideas given here, take a look at the TF leveling kit. It will give you 2" in front and 1" in back. So it's not as extreme and shouldn't cause the problems you're worried about with the 2.5" lift. It should easily clear a 33" tire if not a 34". If you want 35s you may add a body lift with a little trimming to give you the extra clearance. Just another idea for you.

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TerraFlex 2.5" BB Kit which includes the longer swaybar links, shock extensions and the rear trackbar extension bracket. This is all you need to run 35" tires. Its good for light wheeling and daily driving. However if you do go with 35" you will either need spacers to use the stock wheels or choose a wheel with 4.5 - 5" backspace.
I've been running this setup on my 08 for a year and a half and love it. We will be adding this same setup to my son's 07 2dr very soon..

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TerraFlex 2.5" BB Kit which includes the longer swaybar links, shock extensions and the rear trackbar extension bracket. This is all you need to run 35" tires. Its good for light wheeling and daily driving. However if you do go with 35" you will either need spacers to use the stock wheels or choose a wheel with 4.5 - 5" backspace.
I've been running this setup on my 08 for a year and a half and love it. We will be adding this same setup to my son's 07 2dr very soon..
Yeah this may be the ticket. You are running the stock shocks then? Also, whats the backspacing on those 16" wheels? You are running the exact tire size I've been looking at.

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Back space is 4.5" and yes I am running the stock Sahara shocks (the Rubi shocks are better BTW). If or untill you are ready to do heavy wheeling this is a cheap and easy way to get some height and still be a DD maintaining reliability.

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Anyone have experience running the Teraflex BB with the Teraflex shocks? I am wondering if the shocks would be worth it over my Rubi ones...

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I agree with JTPHOTO. Get the TF 2.5 BB kit with the shock spacers and be done with it for now. It is economical and if you decide to want more in the future, you didn't lose much into this setup. You will have a complete kit including the correct bump stops for 35s. You may have to end up trimming some of the rear of the rubi rock rail and pinch seam, but it is really trivial once you get over taking a Sawsall to the sheet metal.

The rubi shocks aren't bad either.... no need to replace.
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Anyone have experience running the Teraflex BB with the Teraflex shocks? I am wondering if the shocks would be worth it over my Rubi ones...
From what I've read, the TF shocks are far better than the X or Sahara shocks but the rubi ones are much better. There isn't as big of a difference between them and the TF shocks.

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Sure, do the 2.5" and 35's,

and next year the 4" and 37's,

and then the 5.5" and 40's the next year,

or just go straight to the 5.5" and 40's and save a lot of time and money.



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