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SLOPPY STEERING and WOBBLE

Hey Guys! So I added takeoff springs (18/59) and Rubio shocks today. Awesome lift results of almost 2" from my 14/55's and it looks like a totally different stance, but I immediately noticed that my steering was sloppy and making L/R turns requires almost a complete revolution of the steering wheel! This was NOT the case prior to the install!

Can someone tell me WHY this is, and what I can do to correct it? I was under the impression that nothing about the drive/handling would change.

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Are you sure nothing is loose ?


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Hey Guys! So I added takeoff springs (18/59) and Rubio shocks today. Awesome lift results of almost 2" from my 14/55's and it looks like a totally different stance, but I immediately noticed that my steering was sloppy and making L/R turns requires almost a complete revolution of the steering wheel! This was NOT the case prior to the install!

Can someone tell me WHY this is, and what I can do to correct it? I was under the impression that nothing about the drive/handling would change.

Thanks!
Have you straightened the steering wheel back out by turning the turnbuckle on the drag link yet? Make sure everything has been loosened and then retorqued with the Jeep on the ground.

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I hate to admit this, but I had the install done at the dealership. They did it cheap, but somebody missed something apparently. My steering wheel now sits at 11 o'clock to go straight, and the wheel is ridiculously loose. There's no responsiveness at all. They tell me this should be just a basic swap, but I'm getting pretty severe wobble occasionally just before hitting 60mph.

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I hate to admit this, but I had the install done at the dealership. They did it cheap, but somebody missed something apparently. My steering wheel now sits at 11 o'clock to go straight, and the wheel is ridiculously loose. There's no responsiveness at all. They tell me this should be just a basic swap, but I'm getting pretty severe wobble occasionally just before hitting 60mph.
Yikes. They may have left the track bar loose up front or maybe they left a control arm bolt or two loose as well. Check all the bolts they need to be loosened then retorqued to 125 ft lbs (upper control arms bolts in front can be 85 ft lbs). Loosen the 2 15mm nuts on the drag link turn buckle and have someone sit in the jeep and turn the turnbuckle by hand it until the wheel is closer to 12:00 to go straight. Then tighten the 2 15mm nuts and go drive it and then readjust until it is dead straight which may take a few tries.

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Sounds like they left the turnbuckle loose on the drag link. There is no reason for it to have changed much at all unless the ball joints went to shit from the wheels dangling in the air when it was lifted or they left something loose. Your caster is a little worse than before, but should not be that extreme. Decreased caster will cause flighty steering, but again you should barely notice it.

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Something has to be loose or disconnected. I did a 2 1/2" budget boost a while back and it didn't need to do any adjust at all to get the steering wheel straight afterward.

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Terminator2.... thanks a million! That's exactly what the issue was. They had put the flag-nut on the wrong side so it wasn't catching and came loose within about 10 miles. And to think... I took it in there to save time and assumed they could get an easy swap done right! They didn't seem thrilled that I was telling them what to do from advise off of a forum! Haha...

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....They didn't seem thrilled that I was telling them what to do from advise off of a forum! Haha...

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Assfrow... Talk to me a little about castor. Rememer- I'm an idiot with this stuff at this point! Is that something that I need to correct or compensate for? Am I going to experience increased wear somewhere from what I assumed was just a cheap/quick mod? Love my basic rig, but I can't justify dumping a ton of cash into a JK with a mini-van motor.

Thanks all.... you guys nailed it.

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Assfrow... Talk to me a little about castor. Rememer- I'm an idiot with this stuff at this point! Is that something that I need to correct or compensate for? Am I going to experience increased wear somewhere from what I assumed was just a cheap/quick mod? Love my basic rig, but I can't justify dumping a ton of cash into a JK with a mini-van motor.

Thanks all.... you guys nailed it.
You lost only around 1/2* or so of caster with those springs which you will barely notice.

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The track bar was loose ?


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Yes. They put the flagged nut on the opposite side (so I'm told) causing the track bar to come loose. I took it back that was corrected. They also straightened out the steering wheel as explained to me above. Afterward the steering ranges were normal, the "wobble" disappeared, and there was no longer any "play" in the feel of the steering.

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There's only a flag on the axle side ?
Which would be impossible to reverse the bolt (in from other side)
I think they just left it loose. Very good thing you did not experience full blown death wobble,


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