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looking to get a lift thinking rock krawler 2.5 max flex or 3.5 ill be running xrc fenders and 35" tires can anyone give me some input on lifts looking to stay around the 1500 range.. and this will be a daily driver
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Look into Synergy, Metalcloak, Teraflex, and OME.


Stay with 2"-2.5" suspension lift.
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looking to get a lift thinking rock krawler 2.5 max flex or 3.5 ill be running xrc fenders and 35" tires can anyone give me some input on lifts looking to stay around the 1500 range.. and this will be a daily driver
Nothing wrong with the RK lift as well.

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I wouldn't go any more than 2.5".


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Your question is too broad and need refinement. Anyone can get a lift put on their Jeep for the price range your looking at, but is it the right lift for what you are truely looking for.

Just stating it's for daily driving doesn't give any specifics. Are you planing on any off roading or are you just going to be a Mall Crawler.

So, do some searching on here and you'll find opionions galore. Once you've done that process, come back and ask some more specific questions about which lift, or lifts, you have questions about.

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I am running the RK 2.5" Max Travel with DIY flat fenders and 37's.
It feels more stable than it did when stock. The ride is good, and handles very well. It gave me about 2.5" in the rear, and over 4" in the front (including winch and steel bumper).
BTW, being a DD, I would not recommend going over 35" tires. Any larger and you will start losing $eriou$ money beefing up everything else to handle the larger tires. Taller lifts (3.5"+) require even more stuff to keep it handling nice enough for a DD.

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looking to get a lift thinking rock krawler 2.5 max flex or 3.5 ill be running xrc fenders and 35" tires can anyone give me some input on lifts looking to stay around the 1500 range.. and this will be a daily driver
Remember that tires and lift kits are lik boob jobs. You always wish you went bigger!!!

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Been so impressed with the Synergy springs (after RK & EVO) on the JK that (for the new JKU) I am hesitant to try anything else. Metalcloak is intriguing but I am not sure if their springs are stiffer or softer or what.

Can't speak for the new RK joints (I had the regular ones) but the ROKMEN Johnny Joint arms were a bit more comfortable and still tight-feeling. So if I had to do it all over (and I soon will) I'd go Synergy springs (with MC as a second option) and ROKMEN or Metalcloak arms. Shocks- probably the Bilstein 5100 (tried RK RRD, ELKA, and Old Man Emu) though the ELKAs were pretty decent and soft (expensive though).

The main issue I would try to avoid is drivetrain vibrations after the lift. With a short-arm system, nothing improves the ride more than the AEV (Rancho makes some too) drop brackets...nothing. You give up some CA bracket clearance though. So you can reuse some or all of the stock CAs if you do that. If you are not bashing the heck out of your CAs and not running really hard trails, the stock arms are extremely comfy and durable. They just don't flex as much. Lots of guys are starting to reuse stock CAs and the drop brackets here. It is also a cheap way to go, till you find you you really want/need more.

You can simply throw on some Synergy 3" springs (2" springs on a 2-door) or similar 2.5" springs, new shocks, and reuse the stock CAs with the AEV brackets. With flat fender, and 35s, even the Synergy 2" springs will work and would probably be my choice. Watch some of the competitors 2.5" springs. They will give you 4"+ on a 2-door, especially unless the JK is heavy. The RK springs raised my front by over 4". Not doing that again. On a 2-door, their 1.5" should work with flatties.

I just remembered your budget and the fact that this is a DD. Not sure if 2 or 4 door (this is important for spring selection) but here it is:

Bilstein 5100s (Rancho 9000s second choice and they are cheaper right now)
Synergy 2" (or MAYBE 3" but talk to them) springs
AEV Drop Brackets
Resuse stock control arms- nothing will last longer for a DD and I doubt be as comfy on the road. Plus, it saves you $1,000 easily.
Brakes- use 2 inch longer stainless lines (most are too long- look at Crown custom sizes) and Black Magic brake pads (way better than EBC). They will stop your 35s a lot faster. All you need are the pads or pads/rotors if your rotors are a bit old.
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What's up my friend ? ^^

Fwiw.. The new triple rates by RK, have a section w/ a softer rate to the coils previous. Also the rears are not linear but TR like the front. Lastly the fronts are a little less in free length to not give as much lift. It's not much maybe 3/8's. Currently my front is higher so this should help a bit. Hopefully mine will be in next week. I will be able to give a comparison.




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Hi buddy, just obsessing over the new mods here now. IIRC, my Synergy coils were longer than the RK 2.5 but slightly shorter at ride height (fronts). The rear were a lot longer and ended up 1/2 or 3/4 higher. They were a bit softer though. Will be interesting to see how you like the new RK Triple Rates. Will also be nice if the front is not higher than the back. I can't tell you how much I hated that look, and the resulting hood flutter just added to my annoyance. These certainly look like a better option, though with a 4-door now, my options have opened up a lot.
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What's up my friend ? ^^

Fwiw.. The new triple rates by RK, have a section w/ a softer rate to the coils previous. Also the rears are not linear but TR like the front. Lastly the fronts are a little less in free length to not give as much lift. It's not much maybe 3/8's. Currently my front is higher so this should help a bit. Hopefully mine will be in next week. I will be able to give a comparison.

You can't expect a coil that is known for providing more than labeled lift and having a short free length with a dead zone to actually have a "Soft Rate" (especially on a 2 door).

The Triple rates are comparable in free length to a linear coil spring (shorter if you take into consideration how much lift Rock Krawler coils are known to provide). The 3/8" shorter free length that you mention can't really be credited for lowering the lift height, because their previous coils did not have a "Dead Zone" like their new "Triple Rates". Their "Dead Zone" isn't worth much more than a marketing pitch by making claims of increased travel. The "Soft rate" (175lb) is more of an Average rate than a "Soft Rate". The "Firm Rate" has to make up for the short free length and the "Dead Zone" with a high spring rate of 225lb.


For comparison, TeraFlex's 2.5" 2 door front linear coils have a free length of 18.5" and a spring rate of 170lb. Rock Krawlers "Triple Rate" 2.5" front coils (labeled for 4 door) have a free length of about 18.75" And their 1.5" "Triple Rates" which would be more comparable to 2.5" 2 door coil only measure 17.63", both have a "Dead Zone" (very little if any rate), a "Soft Rate" with a spring rate of 175lb, and a "Firm Rate" with a spring rate of 225lb. A stock 4 door "18" coil spring provides about 1.5" of lift on a 2 door and has a free length of 18.25".

Synergy's front progressive 2" (1" 4 door/ 2" 2 door) and MetalCloaks front 2 door 2.5" Dual rate coils are both in the 20 1/2" - 21" free length range.

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You can't expect a coil that is known for providing more than labeled lift and having a short free length with a dead zone to actually have a "Soft Rate" (especially on a 2 door).



The Triple rates are comparable in free length to a linear coil spring (shorter if you take into consideration how much lift Rock Krawler coils are known to provide). The 3/8" shorter free length that you mention can't really be credited for lowering the lift height, because their previous coils did not have a "Dead Zone" like their new "Triple Rates". Their "Dead Zone" isn't worth much more than a marketing pitch by making claims of increased travel. The "Soft rate" (175lb) is more of an Average rate than a "Soft Rate". The "Firm Rate" has to make up for the short free length and the "Dead Zone" with a high spring rate of 225lb.





For comparison, TeraFlex's 2.5" 2 door front linear coils have a free length of 18.5" and a spring rate of 170lb. Rock Krawlers "Triple Rate" 2.5" front coils (labeled for 4 door) have a free length of about 18.75" And their 1.5" "Triple Rates" which would be more comparable to 2.5" 2 door coil only measure 17.63", both have a "Dead Zone" (very little if any rate), a "Soft Rate" with a spring rate of 175lb, and a "Firm Rate" with a spring rate of 225lb. A stock 4 door "18" coil spring provides about 1.5" of lift on a 2 door and has a free length of 18.25".



Synergy's front progressive 2" (1" 4 door/ 2" 2 door) and MetalCloaks front 2 door 2.5" Dual rate coils are both in the 20 1/2" - 21" free length range.

Oh trust .. I've read all your post hating on RK coils. I'll be the perfect judge on that soon


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