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To redesign the Wrangler is the riskiest thing you could do… if you’re talking about stubstantially upgrading the Wrangler… yes.” So said Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne at today’s “executive briefing,” webcast live from Cobo Hall in Detroit.

There have been debates over the knockdown windshield and removable door. “I don’t know how many people who own Wranglers have ever done that.” Still, Jeep can’t remove those attributes, even though the vehicle must be lightened and the powertrain must be updated. “You can update it, but you can’t change it.”

Full implementation is less than 24 months away. Volume is a problem, especially since the company has committed to not making Wranglers (for North America) outside of Toledo.

As for the Cherokee, Mr. Marchionne said they still needed a larger market share, but that he thought they could achieve it.

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"To redesign the Wrangler is the riskiest thing you could do… if you’re talking about stubstantially upgrading the Wrangler… yes.” So said Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne at today’s “executive briefing,” webcast live from Cobo Hall in Detroit.

There have been debates over the knockdown windshield and removable door. “I don’t know how many people who own Wranglers have ever done that.” Still, Jeep can’t remove those attributes, even though the vehicle must be lightened and the powertrain must be updated. “You can update it, but you can’t change it.”

Full implementation is less than 24 months away. Volume is a problem, especially since the company has committed to not making Wranglers (for North America) outside of Toledo.

As for the Cherokee, Mr. Marchionne said they still needed a larger market share, but that he thought they could achieve it.

“There’s a brand new lineup of products coming out of Alfa Romeo that you will see in 2015.” These will be sold from Alfa Romeo dealerships."


I like some of this statement.


Fold down windshield = Whatever to me. Even with my '77 CJ it was only 2 knobs and down, I think I only put it down twice and that was just to see what it was like.

Removable doors = Must Have !!!



It's great to read they are committed to keeping production of the Wrangler in Toledo.

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Agreed with Krappy.

I don't care about folding down the windshield and I more than likely never will.
But if you don't have the option taking off the doors, just end the Wrangler name with the JK.


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I folded down the windshield on my YJ all the time, but it was easy to do. Once I put a full cage in it and removed the upper tie-in all I had to do was remove 2 knobs on the dash side and push it down.

With the JK there is a lot more work and I'm not sure I'll ever do it on a regular basis. Still, wheeling with the windshield down is great. The extra airflow is a very nice thing to have. I'll probably do it from time to time just because I can, and just to justify Jeep keeping it possible.

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I could not care any less about the fold down windshield. I'd rather keep the elements and hazards out of my face. So in this reguard, The could keep or toss the fold down windshield. As to the doors and top, that's what makes a wrangler really a wrangler. Better not drop those!
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A JKU weighs around 4,300lbs... How much more weight do they plan on shaving off?

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The only issue i see with eliminating a folding window, is possibly no mounting area for brackets.

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Interesting. I agree, if they get rid of removable doors, it's no longer a wrangler.

I took the windshield down a fair amount with my first YJ, but that was probably because I was 16 and had no desire to be comfortable. Still is nice to have the option though.
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How can you shoot and drive at the same time without a fold down windshield? I predicted they'd lose it when the '11 came out.

I wonder just how much weight they are looking to cut. There isn't a lot to spare. The fucking sheet metal is paper thin now.

They need to kill the Wrangler and create a CJ knock off with a unibody and IFS in hardtop only.

Just think what our CJ's, YJ's, TJ's, and JK's will be worth then!


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How can you shoot and drive at the same time without a fold down windshield? I predicted they'd lose it when the '11 came out.

I wonder just how much weight they are looking to cut. There isn't a lot to spare. The fucking sheet metal is paper thin now.

They need to kill the Wrangler and create a CJ knock off with a unibody and IFS in hardtop only.

Just think what our CJ's, YJ's, TJ's, and JK's will be worth then!
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The fold down windshield IS part of Jeep. It would be a real bitch to take it off for wheeling if it doesn't have hinges. Trees here eat windshield frames.
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I wonder just how much weight they are looking to cut. There isn't a lot to spare. The fucking sheet metal is paper thin now.
Maybe they'll do what Ford just announced they're going to do with the 2015 F150. An all aluminum body, which cut 700 lbs off of the truck. (kind of doubt Fiat would ever do that)

Seriously, I don't think Fiat gets the point of the Wrangler. Do they really think a fold down windshield is tops on our list of wants? Most of us could care less about a fold down windshield. Off road capability, simple reliable design that isn't over burdened with electronic nannys, and reliability, is what I want in a Wrangler.
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Maybe they'll do what Ford just announced they're going to do with the 2015 F150. An all aluminum body, which cut 700 lbs off of the truck. (kind of doubt Fiat would ever do that)

Seriously, I don't think Fiat gets the point of the Wrangler. Do they really think a fold down windshield is tops on our list of wants? Most of us could care less about a fold down windshield. Off road capability, simple reliable design that isn't over burdened with electronic nannys, and reliability, is what I want in a Wrangler.

couldn't agree more. kind of hoping the aluminum body is in the wranglers future.
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Maybe they'll do what Ford just announced they're going to do with the 2015 F150. An all aluminum body, which cut 700 lbs off of the truck. (kind of doubt Fiat would ever do that)

Seriously, I don't think Fiat gets the point of the Wrangler. Do they really think a fold down windshield is tops on our list of wants? Most of us could care less about a fold down windshield. Off road capability, simple reliable design that isn't over burdened with electronic nannys, and reliability, is what I want in a Wrangler.
LOL and some day we might get all that. Can you say CANBUS, TPMS, TIPM, ESP, BAS, E-locker, Smartbar. I sure can. I have a really hard time saying reliability though.

I can deal with electrical nannys, but more power and reliability would sure be nice. Oh yeah and manual hubs!!!! or even power locking hubs.

How would doing away with the folding winshield and removable doors save weight. They could work on the aero a bit though.

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Oh yeah and manual hubs!!!! or even power locking hubs.
Yes. If they've got such a hardon over getting better milage out of the new wranglers, put some lockouts on the front axle and cut down the rotating mass. The offroad community would love them for it, but the soccer moms might not like having to lose "shift on the fly" 4wd.

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Yes. If they've got such a hardon over getting better milage out of the new wranglers, put some lockouts on the front axle and cut down the rotating mass. The offroad community would love them for it, but the soccer moms might not like having to lose "shift on the fly" 4wd.
Other than my Bronco II I haven't had a 4wd without freewheeling autolocking hubs besides the JK.

Everyone else does it why not Jeep?

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Other than my Bronco II I haven't had a 4wd without freewheeling autolocking hubs besides the JK.

Everyone else does it why not Jeep?
Unit bearings are cheaper, and probably lighter. Most of the new 1/2ton trucks are unit bearing.

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Unit bearings are cheaper, and probably lighter. Most of the new 1/2ton trucks are unit bearing.
But they still have autolocking hubs that freewheel in two wheel drive and lock in four wheel drive.

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Don't mess with the removeable doors, chassis or foldable window!

Hopefully these forums get read by Chrysler social media folks.

Chrysler.. I remove my doors every summer! I'm purchasing soft doors for the summer so I can remove my steel doors for the entire summer. I'll only throw the soft doors on if it's raining outside. Please do NOT change this.


Folding the windshield down when going to a drive in movie with my girl is great. I can imagine folding windows can come in handy when hunting.. LOL. if anything I'd like it so that I wouldn't have to remove so much interior parts from the A frame.
The windshield should fold right down like the original design.

Also don't change the tub and chassis design. You need a full chassis for the trails.
If I drive anything else I'm going to crack my windshield LOL
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fold down windshield to me... meh. do not care.

dont take away my doors though.
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Those vacuum auto-lock hubs SUCK and are horribly fail prone. Don't throw away a good unit-bearing for that garbage. The F150 is notorious for problems, so much that the supplier is backordered all the time.

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fold down windshield to me... meh. do not care.

dont take away my doors though.
You don't put your windshield down (or take off) to wheel? This baffles me how anyone could keep one straight!
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Those vacuum auto-lock hubs SUCK and are horribly fail prone. Don't throw away a good unit-bearing for that garbage. The F150 is notorious for problems, so much that the supplier is backordered all the time.



You don't put your windshield down (or take off) to wheel? This baffles me how anyone could keep one straight!
I have an 05 F150 with 90k miles and have never had a problem. I didn't even upgrade to the new shrouded actuator until last fall. I only replaced it, because I thought I was having a problem with the IWIF, but it wasn't a maintenance issue at all. I checked on all of the parts at that time and everything was available from tons of places. They fail after a long time just like everything else and why does everyone keep saying to keep the unit bearing? The F150 uses unit bearings.

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