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Sliders that bolt to frame AND body

JCR Offroad has released some new sliders at a very appealing price point.

http://www.jcroffroad.com/product/JK...-SLD-C-2D.html

I have one concern with them though, and that is that they mount to the frame/body mounts like the ACE sliders, but they also bolt to the pinch seam. They claim this makes them very solid and they don't flex. My concern though is tying the frame and body together like this. I always thought it was not a good idea to tie the frame and body together as the body and frame flex differently. Thoughts?

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It is true that you really don't want anything that ties the tub to the frame. Teraflex stopped making standard tire swings for this reason. I saw on Dozercon where he was taking some whoops and Joe came down hard. The pinch seam in the rear wheel well bashed the top of the air bump and mashed the seam upward approximately 3/8 of an inch.

I don't believe these sliders tie in like that. I am anxious to see some underside pictures, if they stay on the tub side, i'm sold!

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Not real sure you would notice it that much. The body mounts are pretty small (1-2" poly/rubber), so adding more rigidity(?) to the body may not hurt. If anything, it may give the driver/rider a rougher ride.
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I have used frame/body tied sliders before, they are horrid riding. They are significantly noticeable.

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If they used the two smaller bushing mount bolts and the pinch seam, then that is a shitty design. If they used the main center bolt and the seam, then that is okay because the center mount bolt moves with the body.

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PSC's has a version that now bolts to the frame.!

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PSC's has a version that now bolts to the frame.!
HaHa...Thanks to me this is an item they now manufacture. I have the first set custom made for me. The final design has changed from the original a little and mine were built to be welded on.

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The body mount bolts move with the rubber bushing and tub, and that is where our sliders pinch between. They move with the tub as it vibrates and flexes, not with the frame. It's the same concept as our other sliders.

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Thanks for chiming in! That's awesome. Can you post up some pictures of how they look mounted from underneath when you get a chance?

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The body mount bolts moves with the rubber bushing and tub, and that is where our sliders pinch between. They move with the tub as it vibrates and flexes, not with the frame. It's the same concept as our other sliders.

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Kind of what I thought. These just moved up to the second place on my short list.

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Kind of what I thought. These just moved up to the second place on my short list.
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I love the looks, was hoping they mounted like shrockworks to the frame.

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Wheels and tires.
Oh I misunderstood, I thought you meant 2nd on your list of sliders. Carry on
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You will see more info on these sliders soon! Trying to dig ourselves out of pile of Nov/BF orders! Haha


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Yep! I saw those and will be getting them for my jku shortly!
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Do be aware that full frame mounted sliders are going to interfere with most long arm kits.


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I ordered these exact same sliders for the 4-door this weekend. (along with front and rear bumper).

I was concerned about the pinch seam thing as well, but my mind is certainly eased. I will post up pictures once I get.

Apparently Im one of those Nov/Dec orders that JCR was talking about.
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We are wrapping up the prototyping for the 2D sliders today!



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JCR Offroad has released some new sliders at a very appealing price point.

http://www.jcroffroad.com/product/JK...-SLD-C-2D.html

I have one concern with them though, and that is that they mount to the frame/body mounts like the ACE sliders, but they also bolt to the pinch seam. They claim this makes them very solid and they don't flex. My concern though is tying the frame and body together like this. I always thought it was not a good idea to tie the frame and body together as the body and frame flex differently. Thoughts?
I agree, by attaching to the body you will almost be certain to get body damage that will be very difficult to repair.


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The body mounts are too soft and flex on hard hits. The tub will move as much as 1/4" or more on compression of the mounts on a hard hit. The tub sheet metal is very thin. Combine the effects of the soft mounts and thin metal, and you've got bad body damage with hard hits.

I've had to repair both sides of my tub from running tub/bolted to body mount sliders.

For anyone who has the potential to take a hard hit to a slider, they need to avoid anything with a tub mount and anything that bolts to the body mounts.

Really, the only viable option for these jeepers is a weld on frame mount like EVO, VKS, etc.

I like JCR stuff, but there needs to be more competition for weld-on 1.75" or 2" DOM tube built sliders.

I used Poison Spyder body armor to cover the tub damage that I had fixed as good as possible, and then I built my own sliders out of 1.75" DOM tubing.

For guys who don't risk hard hits, this isn't necessary.


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