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post #1 of 85 Old 10-23-2016, 12:06 PM Thread Starter
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NJR--Looking to Purchase an AR

OK, ok... no sexist comments about my being a female and wanting an AR. And I will go right ahead and admit that I really know very little, at this point, about brands, etc. I currently have a SubCompact XD 9mm from Springfield. My brother has an AR, but money is no object for him, so I don't even bother asking his advice. My dad has one (I have shot both... and I was in love with both) but he bought his used off of a former sheriff. I definitely need to take a class once I get it because if I'm not shooting with one of the guys, I have no clue how to work the thing myself. But... with the she about to take office (still praying for a miracle, but I'm realistic, especially living in a blue state) and with my desire TO learn more about the AR and get better at using it, I want something that's decent but won't break the bank. Oh, it also doesn't hurt that Gander Mountain is having a gun sale this week to pique my interest...

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Great entry ar is smith and wesson sport II. Great bang for the buck (pun intended). I have thousands or rounds through my s&w ar. Its awesome.
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Great entry ar is smith and wesson sport II. Great bang for the buck (pun intended). I have thousands or rounds through my s&w ar. Its awesome.
My son has the S&W Sport II. Seems to function well and is affordable for an entry level AR.


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You guys are awesome. That's the one I had my eye on!
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3rd vote on the MP Sport II.

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Just bought the wife a dpms oracle, along with all the mods she wanted to go with it. But she has been shorting mine for years. Almost went with the smith but she opted for the lowered price one since we were changing a lot of stuff anyway.

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When milspec Colts are 799 I don't see a reason to buy anything else.

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When milspec Colts are 799 I don't see a reason to buy anything else.
This right here.

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Ditto, though I build all my own I'd get a Colt if I wanted new one.
Though Smith and Wesson M&P would be my next choice.

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Ditto, though I build all my own I'd get a Colt if I wanted new one.
Though Smith and Wesson M&P would be my next choice.
i have no issues with building AR's as a hobby gun.

but no fucking way do i build a fighting rifle myself. I'm not an AR armorer. I don't spend all day every day fitting pieces and putting them through quality control.

Just my .02 on built AR's. The most common rifles to have failures at class are home built or low end AR's.

If they can't make it through class i'm sure as shit not going to stake my life on it.

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My next one will be a POF or LWRC, but my go to gun is a Rock River. It's all about preferences though. Kel-tec has some neat stuff, dpms and bushmaster and all the rest will sell you anything your heart desires. It's all in what u want.

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Just buy something Milspec from:

Colt
FN
Daniel Defense
Larue
LMT
Noveske
Smith and wesson (bottom of list but still acceptable)

and you'll be fine. if this is your primary/only rifle i'd avoid:

Bushmaster
DPMS
PSA
home built

Avoid slick sided sporting models.

if you have the coin my ideal rifle would include:

15" free floating quad rail
fixed irons or locking flip irons (troy is pretty much the cats meow imho)
an Aimpoint (avoid eotech)
vickers sling
Surefire P2x or P3x fury on a laure mount (although i run a haley strategic mount and like it)

Stock/fore grip/etc is whatever you like.

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Oh, i'd also avoid any of the bullshit piston rifles like the Sig.

They're neat. But if you're going to go AR pattern then make it standard. All that proprietary BS gets old when you need parts/repair/work done.

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I would add Armalite to the list of good choices. Weapons of very decently priced and extremely well made.
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This right here.
Colt was on my short list but getting them damn things in stock is hard. Could not find one when I was getting my latest.

The ruger AR I picked up and held while shopping felt as cheap as the price was. I personally would avoid them.
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i'd avoid:

Bushmaster
DPMS
PSA
home built
That may be good advice in general but I trust my hobbist gunsmith builds far more than any "out of the box" factory firearms. Very, very few are hand fitted. Get the proper education, tools, and experience and you can produce a trusted firearm that is perfectly reliable, passes all the safety checks, and is built for YOU.

I'm not a big collector; I only have 40 or so; but there are probably only 8 I haven't built or significantly modified. My every day carry is a Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade Compact. After having them re-work it twice; once for a out of spec extractor and once for a premature slide lock problem; I still modified the slide lock myself until it was 100% reliable. At least 5000 rounds later and it hasn't failed.
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That may be good advice in general but I trust my hobbist gunsmith builds far more than any "out of the box" factory firearms. Very, very few are hand fitted. Get the proper education, tools, and experience and you can produce a trusted firearm that is perfectly reliable, passes all the safety checks, and is built for YOU.

I'm not a big collector; I only have 40 or so; but there are probably only 8 I haven't built or significantly modified. My every day carry is a Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade Compact. After having them re-work it twice; once for a out of spec extractor and once for a premature slide lock problem; I still modified the slide lock myself until it was 100% reliable. At least 5000 rounds later and it hasn't failed.
you can't really compare a 1911, which love or hate are absolutely prone to failures and require tuning/maintenance. sorry they just do. to a milspec AR built by a quality manufacturer.

What's absolute horse shit is that if a company puts a few milspec parts in their rifle they can label it as "milspec". Which is why i pretty much default to Colt/FN.

there's other quality guns out there. Hence the list (and I'm sure i missed some).

If you build yours that's fine. I've built plenty of guns before. and I laugh at the term "built" despite myself. I "put together" plenty of guns myself lol. If you have the technical knowhow then hey, have at it.

I'll still take a factory colt/fn over one i built. If you want to trust your "build" that's your choice. But from what i've seen and from what my instructors have seen. I'll stick with factory built guns. and for a first AR the OP should too.

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If Armalite's fit/finish on their AR15s is the same as on their AR10s, don't expect anything pretty. It's a battle ready, time hardened, tried and true tool...no fancy stuff.
To boot, Armalite is the original designer of the AR platform...AR = Armalite Rifle.

I've had a pre-ban Colt 6601 (Match HBAR) forever...never had an issue.
I now have an AR10...lifetime warranty.

The only other AR MFG I would consider is Rock River Arms.

Good luck deciding which one.
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...factory built guns. and for a first AR the OP should too.
Oh I agree with that completely. I'm not advocating JeepGirl build her first rifle!

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I'll still take a factory colt/fn over one i built
Sorry, not me.

I've taken a FN SPR A3G and brought it down to a .5 MOA five shot gun by cleaning up the receiver to stock fit by free floating the magazine box. It already had some nice Marine Tex bedding. What pisses my off is that I also have a Howa VS Heavy Barrel rifle with the old Boyd thumb-hole stock that I DID "rebuild" that STILL out shoots it! It shot a 0.17 MOA, 3 shot group at 309 yards. I know that's probably not too repeatable but it consistantly out shoots the FN.
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another vote for S&W. I like mine. was affordable hasn't failed to fire yet.

BTW to get used to it, just spend a bit more time with your family members that have them. you will get it. they aren't hard to learn. they teach kids in the military who have never held a gun how to fire them strip them down and clean them in a matter of a few hours.

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My next one will be a POF or LWRC, but my go to gun is a Rock River. It's all about preferences though. Kel-tec has some neat stuff, dpms and bushmaster and all the rest will sell you anything your heart desires. It's all in what u want.
did you watch the iraqvet888 try and melt down the POF?

it was pretty impressive. had some stoppages but really i bet that bcg was pretty damn dry.

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No sir I didn't. I've heard their torture test was pretty impressive though.

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My next one will be a POF or LWRC, but my go to gun is a Rock River. It's all about preferences though. Kel-tec has some neat stuff, dpms and bushmaster and all the rest will sell you anything your heart desires. It's all in what u want.
I have both a POF 308 and a LWRC IC. They are fantastic rifles. Also have a Bushy Varminter I mainly shoot dear with.

But if the OP can get a Colt for less than a grand, that would be a great start.

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The AR is too my hobby gun. Quite relaxing to play around with from time to time. But 1911's is a love and hate relationship as stated above! Can't go wrong with it but can't go right with it either lol..
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I would build your own.

Order a stripped lower, lower parts kit, BCG (bolt carrier group), rear stock, spring etc.

The lower is the firearm, that will need to go through FFL (at least in MD).

Then order an upper.

I've built a few of them, and it's way fun.
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