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Potential future lead shortage for ammo?

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Needs to get fixed in 2016 which can't come fast enough. If they would take the lead out of Obama and Congress asses, we'd have an overabundance.


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Although it's bound to affect the market some eventually, bullets are made from scrap and recycled lead, mostly from car batteries. Buying new clean/pure lead from the smelter to make bullets is not cost effective.

I wish the news agencies would stop trying to create more panic. Prices are high enough already.

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Although it's bound to affect the market some eventually, bullets are made from scrap and recycled lead, mostly from car batteries. Buying new clean/pure lead from the smelter to make bullets is not cost effective.

I wish the news agencies would stop trying to create more panic. Prices are high enough already.

This is from Sierra bullets and their take on the lead smelter closing.


http://sierrabullets.wordpress.com/2...ierra-bullets/

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^ Speer and Hornady have also issued similar statements. I'm just too lazy to find a link :-\ Mark W.

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Although it's bound to affect the market some eventually, bullets are made from scrap and recycled lead, mostly from car batteries. Buying new clean/pure lead from the smelter to make bullets is not cost effective.

I wish the news agencies would stop trying to create more panic. Prices are high enough already.
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The sky is not falling.

And even if it was someone would have to shit out an economical alternative that works for the military
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And even if it was someone would have to shit out an economical alternative that works for the military

I agree....just funny how the news guys are putting this stuff out.

For those of us who reload our own ammo, it would just take reloading one step further to fabricate our own "lead alternative" rounds. Anything metal can be melted and shaped....some may work better than others but still the same process.

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We won't need a lead alternative for a LONG time- wheel weights, fishing weights, and countless other odds and ends are made from usable lead. Not always the "ideal" alloy, but if it'll shoot without damaging the gun or making it a PITA to clean, it's good enough Mark W.

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My buddy reloads and for non-Glock, he goes around to tire stores and they give him the lead wheel weights. He smelts them down into ingots and mixes some other metal with it as well. Then he casts his own bullets. Too much damn work for me.


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EPA shutting the plant down= sucks, we worked there.

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My buddy reloads and for non-Glock, he goes around to tire stores and they give him the lead wheel weights. He smelts them down into ingots and mixes some other metal with it as well. Then he casts his own bullets. Too much damn work for me.
Except they are changing the tire weights to zinc now.

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Fishing weights were changed over to zinc quite awhile ago.

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The sky is not falling.

And even if it was someone would have to shit out an economical alternative that works for the military
The new LAP 5.56 round doesn't have any lead in it and they are trying to make that the standard issue round.

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The new LAP 5.56 round doesn't have any lead in it and they are trying to make that the standard issue round.
and it wont be. The reason is because the ranges are not setup for sustained AP fire. We shoot 100:1 ball to AP, you have to train. 90% of the indoor MIL ranges and shoot houses are ball or frangible only, and the outdoor ones get chewed up from sustained AP.


Like I said, they would have to shit out a way to make mil 5.56, 7.62, 9mm and 50 BMG ammo cheap enough to train with.
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and it wont be. The reason is because the ranges are not setup for sustained AP fire. We shoot 100:1 ball to AP, you have to train. 90% of the indoor MIL ranges and shoot houses are ball or frangible only, and the outdoor ones get chewed up from sustained AP.


Like I said, they would have to shit out a way to make mil 5.56, 7.62, 9mm and 50 BMG ammo cheap enough to train with.
It looks like the epa is coming for your 7.62 next.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/18...to-green-ammo/

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Time to start ordering ammo before the shortage starts again.


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I don't know about all of that, There are still a lot of imports and it is getting cheaper all of the time. I picked up 1000 rnds .223 for plinking for $350 shipped yesterday.

It's just unfortunate that my .223 plinking rifle was lost in a tragic boat accident this morning.

I think this thing is finally coming together. Still Needed: drive shafts, frame mount rails...then done son! For a while...
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I don't know about all of that, There are still a lot of imports and it is getting cheaper all of the time. I picked up 1000 rnds .223 for plinking for $350 shipped yesterday.

It's just unfortunate that my .223 plinking rifle was lost in a tragic boat accident this morning.
Where did you get that at?

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Where did you get that at?
http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-431...mmunition.aspx

they still have it in stock as of now.

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