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Unhappy Dual battery / AUX Battery issue

Ok first off, let's start with what I got...

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I also replace one of the OE straps ( battery to firewall strap)

I'm hoping electrical guru can chime in and help me out.

My issue is somewhere the AUX battery (newest battery) draining, with nothing on. Current voltage is 8.2, tested @ a Autozone.. Starter battery is good,

Everything is wired correctly by Benchmark install instructions. It's not a new install, have had this set up for months, so this is a new problem, and was just noticed today here @ hidden falls ( when I was unable to to use my compressor/ rear air locker )

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Optimas are garbage. Dump them. I had a similar experience with Yellow Tops; will never buy Optima again. Added a second, new yellow top. It drained my original repeatedly. Had to replace both.

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Optimas are garbage. Dump them. I had a similar experience with Yellow Tops; will never buy Optima again.

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Optimas are garbage. Dump them. I had a similar experience with Yellow Tops; will never buy Optima again.

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You mean them draining? Just like that, Honestly, I've been reading that here lately, but replacing 2 batteries at once... I shouldn't complain really on how much we spend on our rigs.

Note: I'm not really familiar with testing of any of that sort, finding an electrical problem...

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You mean them draining? Just like that, Honestly, I've been reading that here lately, but replacing 2 batteries at once... I shouldn't complain really on how much we spend on our rigs.

Note: I'm not really familiar with testing of any of that sort, finding an electrical problem...
Yep, added dual tray kit, everything wired correctly and has never changed. Both batteries wouldn't last more than 24 hrs. Jeep wouldn't start. Swapped batteries, no problem for almost a year now.
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Don't know if it changes anything, I also have a 500 amp in line winch fuse.

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I have the same setup. KISS wiring and winch fuse from John. Zero issues now.
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Duralast, Die hard, or odyessy? ( does it matter )

Anything aside from optima

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All the same, as far as I understand. Odyssey is a rebadged Die Hard. Sears is where I got mine
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Yep, added dual tray kit, everything wired correctly and has never changed. Both batteries wouldn't last more than 24 hrs. Jeep wouldn't start. Swapped batteries, no problem for almost a year now.
I run 4.yes 4 yellow tops, no problems over a year later.
+ 1 in my dd going on 2 years
need to find the drain
hook test light or volt meter between neg battery cable & battery, if the light is on, there is a drain, start pulling fuses till light goes out, that is the drain.
I have yet to see the cause as the battery........it might happen, but don't blame the battery without knowing, that is as bad as blaming a gun for someone getting shot


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Obviously, every situation or issue doesn't have to be the exact same. In my situation, extremely similar to what you are experiencing, the old Optima killed the new Optima. One was replaced through warranty; of course the older one was not covered. And they won't get a dime from me again.

I had a similar Red Top experience in a prefessionally built stereo comp rig. Builder warned against using Optimas. He builds for MTX.
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I run 4.yes 4 yellow tops, no problems over a year later.
+ 1 in my dd going on 2 years
need to find the drain
hook test light or volt meter between neg battery cable & battery, if the light is on, there is a drain, start pulling fuses till light goes out, that is the drain.
I have yet to see the cause as the battery........it might happen, but don't blame the battery without knowing, that is as bad as blaming a gun for someone getting shot
My Yellow Top is 4 years old and just goes.. Unless their quality has dropped.. I know they have a 2 year no hassle warranty..

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All the same, as far as I understand. Odyssey is a rebadged Die Hard. Sears is where I got mine
I'm thinking you have that back-wards! Sears is putting the Die-hard label on the Odyssey. I'm not convinced that the die hard is the exact same battery. But they are made by the same company. Odyssey makes a LOT of battery models. I've been running them for years with no problems. Odyssey that is not the die-hard.

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Have you tested it while the cars running to make sure its charging it at around 13.5 volts? I'm with 12 volt guy on checking for drains too. If its reading like 8 volts you could have 2 cells shorted in the battery though. As to everyone else with optima battery issues I've heard of some issues too, but we run them in about 20 peterbilts (the group 31 yellow tops) And for the abuse the trucks put them through and heat, they have been holding up great.

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My issue is somewhere the AUX battery (newest battery) draining, with nothing on. Current voltage is 8.2, tested @ a Autozone.. Starter battery is good,
I would take the AUX battery back to where you bought it and trade it in.. If your Optima battery is less then 3 years old, you can get a free replacement..

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Optima and Duralast batteries are made by the same company.....Johnson Controls.

I doubt your issue is which brand of battery you own but rather something drawing on the 2nd battery or something in the wiring.
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Yeah right now I'm running through the wiring,

Solenoid is in good working order

It's not the spod...

Will see

NOTE : Just as a precaution, I exchanging the AUX battery under warranty.

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This gets a little tricky. You want to make sure that the battery management module is working properly. Put a volt meter on the auxiliary battery while the engine is running to be sure you are seeing 13.2 Ė 14.7 volts DC. You want to be sure the battery is charging properly first.
Next, what is attached to the auxiliary battery? I know that if you have a fridge, or an inverter attached and not running the Jeep every few hours may drain the battery.
If you have the sPOD positive and negative terminals attached to the aux battery you should not have any drain on the battery until a switch is turned on that has an accessory attached to it. This may drain the battery.
Ok, with that being said and out of the way, letís talk batteries!
Based on insurance claims against Optima from 2 customers and Sears relinquishing their contract with Optima due to failures and explosions, I would have to say that the Optimas are not my choice of batteries.
Thatís just my opinion and experience.
I have had a Sears DieHard Platinum P1 in my Jeep for 4 years now and have never had a problem with it! I run an Engle 45 quart fridge, an inverter while Iím out on expeditions and can run the fridge for 3 Ė 4 days without ever having to start the Jeep! This is a 10 year battery. It is also $185.00!
The Sears DieHard Platinum battery is a re-branded Odyssey battery. The Odyssey battery is one of the best batteries on the market right now. This is not just my personal opinion, this has been written about by some of the most prestigious journals and magazines out there! Heck, you can call and talk to Scott Brady of Overland Journal and he will confirm that for you.
I donít want you to get rid of your existing batteries, use them until they are expired and then replace them with the Odyssey batteries.
I think there is something draining the battery. I would disconnect anything connected to it and keep the charging system in place to evaluate whether or not it is still discharging.
Sorry for such a long response Andre, but this needs to be looked at real close before you spend a ton of money needlessly. Call John at Benchmark and get his opinions on the system as well.

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Andre,
no problem..I hope that helps......just keep me posted.
I also want to point out that the CAN-Bus system on your Jeep is very sensitive to voltage spikes and drops, so be sure that any auxiliary electrical item is connected directly to the sPOD! Not to the fuse box or any other OEM electrical wires on the Jeep.
If I was in Texas I would be there in a hot second to help you out.
Hope I was of help to you..

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Ok, guys, the ONLY thing I found was a piece of the protective tubing from ground wire was rubbed off and touching AUX positive terminal...

No expert..I'm guessing this is the coprite..

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Ok, guys, the ONLY thing I found was a piece of the protective tubing from ground wire was rubbed off and touching AUX positive terminal...

No expert..I'm guessing this is the coprite..
Could be... lucky you didn't encounter a meltdown.

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Could be... lucky you didn't encounter a meltdown.
YEAH, no kidding... I guessing I'm lucky by it being an accessory ground wire, that really is only used on wheeling trips...

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Ok, guys, the ONLY thing I found was a piece of the protective tubing from ground wire was rubbed off and touching AUX positive terminal...

No expert..I'm guessing this is the coprite..
Definitely the problem.

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