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Wiring a momentary DPDT switch

Welp, looks like I've been out of the game for too long. can anyone provide some clarity on the wiring of a Contura V momentary on-off-on DPDT switch? The independent LED circuits (7-10) speak for themself, but 1-6 is throwing me off. Is it as simple as:

1 - power out (up position)
2 - power in from kill switch
3 - power out (down position)

4/5/6 - ground?

For the record, this will be an in-cab winch controller.

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Just in case you have not found the info yet. Terminals 1,2,3 are totally isolated from 4,5,6. That is what double pole means; there are two poles.

No need to wire up 4,5,6 and your plan for 1,2,3 works. Terminal 2 is the common, contact is made with 1 or 3 (from 2) depending how you push the button.

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Just in case you have not found the info yet. Terminals 1,2,3 are totally isolated from 4,5,6. That is what double pole means; there are two poles.

No need to wire up 4,5,6 and your plan for 1,2,3 works. Terminal 2 is the common, contact is made with 1 or 3 (from 2) depending how you push the button.
I'm out of the country for work, so I'll be wiring it up when I get home next week. I did some reading and was starting to think that is the answer, but the reassurance is nice.

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Now that I'm looking it over, where is the ground side of the circuit for the power-in? is that not terminal 5?
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Now that I'm looking it over, where is the ground side of the circuit for the power-in? is that not terminal 5?
The ground goes directly (unbroken) to the power consuming device i.e. winch solenoids. The switch is only making and breaking the positive wire. You are sending power from the common terminal (2) to either of the other normally open terminals (1 or 3) when the switch is pushed.

You have a ground going to the lights because they consume power.

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Welp, looks like I've been out of the game for too long. can anyone provide some clarity on the wiring of a Contura V momentary on-off-on DPDT switch? The independent LED circuits (7-10) speak for themself, but 1-6 is throwing me off. Is it as simple as:

1 - power out (up position)
2 - power in from kill switch
3 - power out (down position)

4/5/6 - ground?

For the record, this will be an in-cab winch controller.

1, 2 and 3 are one circuit, with the input of pin 2 switched between the output pin 1 or 3, depending if the switch is up or down. 4, 5 and 6 are a second circuit, with 5 being the common input.

If you have a 3-wire winch controller you only need to use one side, with the common wire going to pin 2 (or 5) and the in and out wires going to pins 1 and 3, (or 4 and 6) respectively.

If you have a 4-wire winch controller you connect the two "out" wires to 2 and 1, and the two "in" wires to 5 and 6. Or, reverse that if you want the winch to run the other way.

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The ground goes directly (unbroken) to the power consuming device i.e. winch solenoids. The switch is only making and breaking the positive wire. You are sending power from the common terminal (2) to either of the other normally open terminals (1 or 3) when the switch is pushed.

You have a ground going to the lights because they consume power.
ah. this makes perfect sense now. thank you.
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1, 2 and 3 are one circuit, with the input of pin 2 switched between the output pin 1 or 3, depending if the switch is up or down. 4, 5 and 6 are a second circuit, with 5 being the common input.

If you have a 3-wire winch controller you only need to use one side, with the common wire going to pin 2 (or 5) and the in and out wires going to pins 1 and 3, (or 4 and 6) respectively.

If you have a 4-wire winch controller you connect the two "out" wires to 2 and 1, and the two "in" wires to 5 and 6. Or, reverse that if you want the winch to run the other way.
It's actually a 5 pin. (Warn M-8000s)

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It's actually a 5 pin. (Warn M-8000s)
Well Hell! The 5 wire controller also makes and breaks the ground going to the solenoids. This controller is a double pole; one for the hot (+) and one for the ground (-). I guess it is for safety so the remote contacts do not weld and keep the winch running. Unlikely for both poles to fail at the same time I guess.

So.... to make it work you have to put the negative (-) on the common (5) of the other pole and the brown has to be jumped to both 4 and 6. This way in either direction the negative is sent to the solenoids. Alternatively you could just ground the brown wire and it will work.

I did a google search and found a few variations of an M8000 wiring diagram. Some have the red as negative and some have black as negative. I'm not sure which m8000 you have so I'll try and show you what I found and you can make the call which way to go. Or, get the right diagram and I'll confirm your thoughts.

The attachment shows the remote red being a negative. On the other hand, your diagram has the red being positive. If the example you show is correct for your winch then take the black to terminal 5 and the brown to 4 & 6. The red should go to 2 and green and white to 1 & 3.


Here is one example of a 5 wire warn remote with the same wiring as the attachment below http://winchserviceparts.com/wiring-...ire-Remote.php If this is correct for your winch then red needs to go to terminal 5 and white (being the +) should go to terminal 2.
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Well Hell! The 5 wire controller also makes and breaks the ground going to the solenoids. This controller is a double pole; one for the hot (+) and one for the ground (-). I guess it is for safety so the remote contacts do not weld and keep the winch running. Unlikely for both poles to fail at the same time I guess.

So.... to make it work you have to put the negative (-) on the common (5) of the other pole and the brown has to be jumped to both 4 and 6. This way in either direction the negative is sent to the solenoids. Alternatively you could just ground the brown wire and it will work.

I did a google search and found a few variations of an M8000 wiring diagram. Some have the red as negative and some have black as negative. I'm not sure which m8000 you have so I'll try and show you what I found and you can make the call which way to go. Or, get the right diagram and I'll confirm your thoughts.

The attachment shows the remote red being a negative. On the other hand, your diagram has the red being positive. If the example you show is correct for your winch then take the black to terminal 5 and the brown to 4 & 6. The red should go to 2 and green and white to 1 & 3.


Here is one example of a 5 wire warn remote with the same wiring as the attachment below http://winchserviceparts.com/wiring-...ire-Remote.php If this is correct for your winch then red needs to go to terminal 5 and white (being the +) should go to terminal 2.
It appears your attachment is the old 4 pack of solenoids. The new Warn M-8000 utilizes a contactor instead.

https://www.warn.com/truck/winches/s...87970A0_rs.pdf

this is the appropriate owners manual, but it fails to tell which of the terminals does what. However, I did find this via google:
(Now the contactor that comes with the M-8000s uses blade terminals for the 3 control wires on the front, but otherwise looks the same.)


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So.... to make it work you have to put the negative (-) on the common (5) of the other pole and the brown has to be jumped to both 4 and 6. This way in either direction the negative is sent to the solenoids. Alternatively you could just ground the brown wire and it will work.
So keeping what you said here in mind, would this work:


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^^^ Yep, that'll work.

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