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How should PFC Manning be executed?

PFC Manning has has confessed in many correspondence to handing over classified documents. He knew the disclosure of said documents could (and has) result in the deaths of many people.
Given the set of facts already known, a conviction for espionage is a slam dunk.
The only question remaining is how he should be executed.
(please don't lecture on the presumption of innocence. Only the courts have to do that. Out side of court we are free to discuss his guilt before trial.)

I vote something old testament. Maybe let the families of the now dead pull the trigger on a firing squad.
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Increasing longer screwdrivers stuck into the urethra until something gets poked that he can't live without or maybe better.... have his fellows in the war against the west at Gitmo, pump him in the ass, while eating pork chops... then try the screwdriver trick. Video tape this and hack Al-Quzeera TV and show what happens to a terrorist that fights against the US.... either theirs or ours!

Of course.... this assumes he is convicted of treason.
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Life in the Supermax in CO. He'll sit on death row for twenty years anyway and get the easy way out. Let him rot.

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If convicted ...simple, old fashioned firing squad. Just be done with the POS.

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Life in the Supermax in CO. He'll sit on death row for twenty years anyway and get the easy way out. Let him rot.
Nahhhh. Too modern. He should go to a really old dungeon like Marion and be *hole buddies with Noriega. There he can sit and rot for 20 years while the appeals process grinds on. THEN slip the needle in the vein and send him on to the next life quietly. By then people will go Private Who?


Or another thought..... He could go to Terre Haute and wait tables for the Illinois Governor's club.

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First, he will never be excecuted. Only the President can sign A death order for a convicted soldier, and none have had the balls since 1964.

Second the military only has two means of excecution...hanging and firing squad. Both of which will be appealed by his lawyers as cruel and unusual.

That said he should be hung. Hanging is reserved for those with crimes of treachory and without honor, if done properly it can take him a good 5 min to die. Firing squad is reserved for soldiers with honor: i.e. a soldier comes home to find his wife in bed with someone else and in a fit of rage kills one or the other. True it is a crime and the soldier deserves to die, but the soldier served his country with honor and didnt turn on his brothers, he is the one that gets the firing squad, quick and done.

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I say hang his ass, this will show every one that we are not a soft as we seam, Letting him sit in jail for years to me is weak in my eyes, he cost people their life's and need to pay for it, and fast. Sitting in a cell over time to me is not justice, its like a long time out and is crap. Rights or not, some crimes should be viewed diff from all others, point in hand this ass bag. Lets do this Obama!!!


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He deserves a hanging. They won't do it but that is what should be done.
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I think that life in solitary is a worse punishment than a firing squad or the chair. Let him sit in darkness for the next 50 years. It costs the taxpayers more, but he'll be punished properly.

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he will get 20 years and get out. This is America now, the wars arent popular, politics takes over and the US has to look good on the world stage. He will get 20 years and we will let him off to show the world we still care.

shoot him and bill the family for the bullet.
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I believe we should turn him over to al queda and see what they do to him. He is an infadel right? So they would cut off his head. He'll see what happens first hand when you leak important information to the enemy. Or hang him. Either way he is responsible for making america less safe and for making it easier for the taliban to recruit people to kill americans. If you take action against america you should die. That's the way i feel and why i am currently serving. Semper Fidelis

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Strip him naked, bury him neck deep in the desert and let the ants and buzzards eat his face off.


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I say we put him back into full military service.

His new job will be to find and defuse IEDs. With no EOD training.

Attach him to the Marines. We'll keep his ass up front, or there will be one of those oopsie-friendly-fire situations.
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Some very interesting information posted.

As for appeals, since it is "federal" there is not a winding route of appeals that can take decades. It goes straight to the supreme court. It didn't take 20 years to execute McVeigh.

He acted with deliberate intent and his actions resulted in death.

If he gets "life without perole" it must be defined as "natural life without extraordinary medical intervention." Also, I agree life in solitary confinement, with these added restrictions. The only human contact he will be allowed is his attoney and the guards. No lights in a windowless 6x6x6 cell. Closed off from outside light and sound. No radio, no tv, no reading material. The equivalent of living as his dead victims are.
Once a month, a noose is lower through a sliding door in the ceiling thus giving him the option of ending his imprisonment early.
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I too say hang him, he is not worth the cost of a bullet.

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Playing the devil's advocate here, so take this with a grain of salt:

Have you read any of the interviews he has given? The guy sounds like he was pretty depressed. He had access to a video that was being covered up by the military that showed a dozen civilians being fired upon by an Apache helicopter, with audio of the crew begging to fire upon a van driven by a random man (and containing his two young children on their way to a tutor).

From what I recall (and I can't find this story again, so it may not be true) PFC Manning had previously sought help for his mental illness but was still allowed access to these sensitive records? That sounds like a screw-up on his supervisor's account.

Now, I agree that Manning should be punished, what he did was illegal, after all. But if he wasn't of sound mind at the time of the infraction, the death penalty should be off the table.

Now Wikileaks, on the other hand, should face no sanctions. They are a branch of the press. A part of the press's duty is to hold the government accountable for their misdeeds. The cover-up of the "Collateral Damage" video that Manning leaked is definitely a misdeed on the part of the US Government.

If a group of civilian vigilantes went around blowing away people in the street just because they thought they may be terrorists, they would be tired for murder. Why do these guys get a pass just because they are military? Shouldn't they be held to a HIGHER standard of conduct than the general population, since they are acting on behalf of the United Sates, not just themselves as individuals?

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Increasing longer screwdrivers stuck into the urethra until something gets poked that he can't live without or maybe better.... have his fellows in the war against the west at Gitmo, pump him in the ass, while eating pork chops... then try the screwdriver trick. Video tape this and hack Al-Quzeera TV and show what happens to a terrorist that fights against the US.... either theirs or ours!

Of course.... this assumes he is convicted of treason.
Wait wait wait wait!!!! Weren't you the person screaming "first ammendment" when people wanted to shut up that jackass preacher in Florida that wanted to burn Qurans which would directly inflame the militant Muslims and put our Troops in greater danger even though our military leadership spoke out against it? Interesting... let the asshole preacher (radical christian terrorist working against the military) do what he wants even if it endangers our troops but kill this fucker.

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The cover-up of the "Collateral Damage" video that Manning leaked is definitely a misdeed on the part of the US Government.

If a group of civilian vigilantes went around blowing away people in the street just because they thought they may be terrorists, they would be tired for murder. Why do these guys get a pass just because they are military? Shouldn't they be held to a HIGHER standard of conduct than the general population, since they are acting on behalf of the United Sates, not just themselves as individuals?
Actually it was not a misdeed. The video only shows part of the story.
A group of terrorists was taken out. It is that simple.
In a war zone, journalist can not act as human shields and expect not to have bad things happen.
The leak was not journalism.
Manning and the guy he gave the information to should face treason/espionage charges.
Wikileaks is protected by the SCOTUS Pentagon papers decision which held that even illegally obtained classified documents can be published without penalty. I actually agree with the decision because it prevents the government from claiming "national security" as a reason to take control of the media. Bubba Clinton sure tried pushing those limits far more than any republican president. After all the media hates all republicans except RINOs.

By the way, anyone see the head line "The Obama Justice Department tells judge that warrantless tracking of Americans is permitted because
Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their cell
phone use."? That's because there wasn't such a head line. But it did happen. In the Soto brother's case. Look it up.
What if it was the Bush Justice department? It would be front page of the NYT.
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PFC Manning has has confessed in many correspondence to handing over classified documents. He knew the disclosure of said documents could (and has) result in the deaths of many people.
Given the set of facts already known, a conviction for espionage is a slam dunk.
The only question remaining is how he should be executed.
(please don't lecture on the presumption of innocence. Only the courts have to do that. Out side of court we are free to discuss his guilt before trial.)

I vote something old testament. Maybe let the families of the now dead pull the trigger on a firing squad.
Holy Hyperbole Batman!

Bradley Manning hasn't been charged with "espionage." He has been charged with:

CHARGE I: VIOLATION OF THE UCMJ, ARTICLE 92 - 4 counts - Failure to obey order or regulation - which at most carries a jail sentence...

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CHARGE II: VIOLATION OF THE UCMJ, ARTICLE 134 - 8 counts - Disloyal statements (18 U.S.C. §§ 2385, 2387, and 2388) - From the charge statement: "such conduct being prejudicial to good order and discipline in the armed forces and being of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces" ...and again the maximum is jail sentence.

Sorry to burst your bubble... he is facing 52 years in prison, but not execution.

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Well he should be. It says a lot that the military posecutors won't max out the charges based on what is already in the public record.
I do hope more charges are pending.
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Can't do anything to Wikileaks on the treason thing... Swedish company run by an Australian... No US law applicable.
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