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post #1 of 125 Old 12-17-2009, 06:05 PM Thread Starter
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Do we still need a folding windshield?

I saw in a Write up all the steps it takes to lower the windshield and that it takes half a day! Plus, the windshield is now part of the upper structure of the vehicle as the cage attaches to it making it pretty much impractical to drive with the windshield down.

So the question is: who still needs a windshield that can be lowered? I say screw this feature and give the windshield a bit more angle so it doesn't chip at every turn; and we get an extra mpg!

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I think they should make it a fixed structure but I don't want anymore rake.

It was originally made to fold down so they could shoot from the seats. Don't think that is needed now.


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I think they should make it a fixed structure but I don't want anymore rake.

It was originally made to fold down so they could shoot from the seats. Don't think that is needed now.
Wow, I didn't think of that.

And during CJ days I believe some people wanted to lower the windshield to clear under low hanging tree branches, etc. But with the cage in place it is a useless feature for that too.

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I say do away with it too! I've seen 1...maybe 2 pics of a JK with it folded down...to much work for me though!!

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Get rid of it. For normal, civilian use it doesn't offer any benefits.

Hell, I'd do away with the removable top or at the least make the sides removable but leave the top permanently attached. I have way more use for an integrated roof rack then I do for a removable top.

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They should make em without any windshield or roll bars at all. Maybe they could include a pair of goggles when you buy one, a helmet too.


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Interesting that this came up today, I was just going to look for a "lower the windshield" thread because I have never done it. I put my JK in my toy hauler and it fits just right, it is almost right over the axles - if I lower the windshield I can place the Jeep directly over the axles, which makes for better pulling... I also have to take the back rack and tire off for it to fit so it is going to be work either way. I will try it and see what is the lesser of two evils...


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Interesting that this came up today, I was just going to look for a "lower the windshield" thread because I have never done it. I put my JK in my toy hauler and it fits just right, it is almost right over the axles - if I lower the windshield I can place the Jeep directly over the axles, which makes for better pulling... I also have to take the back rack and tire off for it to fit so it is going to be work either way. I will try it and see what is the lesser of two evils...



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While we're at it, let's round off the body some more, make a front wheel drive only option, and lower it about 4 or 5 inches.













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While we're at it, let's round off the body some more, make a front wheel drive only option, and lower it about 4 or 5 inches.













And a cooler name like "Compass" You're never lost if you have a compass.
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i look at it like this.... The round headlights are deffinately JEEP. You see this because when they switched to Square for those few years, JEEPERS blew a gasket. THe top off deffinately JEEP. The windshield being able to fold deffinately JEEP.

Change it to make it easier to put down and I am game. But dont take it away. Maybe focus on creating something that doesnt leak when it rains, that I would go for.

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While we're at it, let's round off the body some more, make a front wheel drive only option, and lower it about 4 or 5 inches.













And a cooler name like "Compass" You're never lost if you have a compass.
Score........I may never fold my windshield but it's nice to know I can. Although with the curved glass and frame it really looks weird.

No offense Malo but IMHO making the top attach permanently would surely be the end of the Wrangler as we know it. The open air experience is the best feature for a lot of us. If they water it down enough then it's just another mid sized SUV. There are certain elements that make a Jeep a Jeep.


EDIT> Oh and I hear once you get practice it takes about 40 minutes to drop the windshield....

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Oh and I hear once you get practice it takes about 40 minutes to drop the windshield....
Maybe, but 40 minutes does not seem that quick to me LOL

And even then, the front of the roll cage stays sticking out like a pair of antlers, defeating the whole point of lowering the windshield.

Here is a pic of a JK with the windshield down (sorry, this is at the "other" forum) http://www.jk-forum.com/showthread.php?p=1294003

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YES!!! we still need folding windshields. WE DRIVE JEEPS. I have only put my windshield down once just to do it but still cmon we cant stray from the Jeep roots.
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I am a fan of adding rake to the windshield regardless if it folds down or not. You can still keep the boxy look and add more angle. The lower 40 has another 10 degrees I believe and I havent heard anyone say that it looks worse that way.
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Yes, we need a folding windshield.

That's part of being a Jeep.
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One of the traits that impresses me of Wrangler is how Jeep has stuck to it's "form-follows-function" philosophy over the years (e.g., exposed hinges to remove the doors, bolted on flares and bumpers for easy swap, solid axles for durability, trusty hand-operated 4WD lever, removable carpeting for hose-down cleaning, etc.)

Given that 0.01% of us will ever lower our windshields, it seems it's function has long passed. Sticking with Wrangler's form-follows-function philosophy: do away with it!

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One of the traits that impresses me of Wrangler is how Jeep has stuck to it's "form-follows-function" philosophy over the years (e.g., exposed hinges to remove the doors, bolted on flares and bumpers for easy swap, solid axles for durability, trusty hand-operated 4WD lever, removable carpeting for hose-down cleaning, etc.)

Given that 0.01% of us will ever lower our windshields, it seems it's function has long passed. Sticking with Wrangler's form-follows-function philosophy: do away with it!
The function hasn't long passed, it's still there, it's still entirely use-able, and it's a feature that belongs on a Jeep.

If you really don't like the fold down windshield than you should consider a Grand Cherokee, Commander, Compass, or Patriot.
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My dad's CJ5X is infinitely more fun with the windshield down:



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I like the comments but all have failed to mention the most important reason of why we still need a folding front windshield.

If you flop or roll a Jeep will a fixed front window it is a total loss and not repairable. The folding front winshield frame is replacable whic makes fixing a Jeep a real possibility even in your own garage.

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If you really don't like the fold down windshield than you should consider a Grand Cherokee, Commander, Compass, or Patriot.
Duh, like anyone here chose a JK BECAUSE OF THE folding windshield!!!

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Duh, like anyone here chose a JK BECAUSE OF THE folding windshield!!!
That's not what I said.

They chose it because it's a Jeep. Like Jason said, there's heritage that comes along with that. Part of that heritage is what you, apparently, despise so much.

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a folding windshield is definitely a large part of what defines a a Jeep.
the big characteristics of a Jeep are the slatted grill, removable top,folding windshield and 4 wheel drive (that one has already been made a variable)
if you don't want a folding windshield, buy a cherokee.


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