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Genright Never Again !

I ordered Genright Coilover Kit for my 2013 Jeep JK Unlimited. I originall had a 2009 model but sold it last April. I bought these parts last year and due to the fact I do not make a lot of money, I would save and then by bits and pieces here and there. To make a long story short, it is time for me to start my build. The company doing my build is a local company who does awesome work. The owner has built several Ultra 4 vehicles for some top names in the sport one who has actually won the Hammers. He is very knowledgeable and very meticulously when it comes to building your project. My build includes a coilover suspension front and rear. We are only installing the coilovers and no control arms because those will be custom as well. So the builder knows what spring rate to run in the front of my jeep but was sourcing info from Gentight on their rear coilover setup because he has nerver built their kit. A call to Genright and they would not give him their spring rates, but asked why we were not using King Coilovers. He told them that he has a good relationship with Fox and the cars that he has built was with the Fox product. I have spent quite a bit of money with Genright and I was very upset over stinking spring rates. We were attempting to get a starting point as we know every Jeep is different due to the fact how and where the coilovers are set up.

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Springs rates are top secret so I don't know why Genright had their panties in a bunch.

With that said, if you are having a professional like the one you describe build your JK, why are you buying off the shelf parts to begin with?? The coil over brackets are exactly rocket surgery so someone who builds ultra4 bugs shouldn't have any issues.

Along those lines, I assume he has or has access to corner weights. Use those to get a accurate weight for the rear of your JK. Then get the weight of your rear axle/wheel and tire combo. Armed with that info, you shouldn't have any issues going to Fox and getting the best spring rates for your particular set up.

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As an indifferent third party I am having trouble understanding why you got so pissed over this. They didn't fuck up your order, they didn't lie, they didn't avoid you, they didn't do anything that would normally get a company egg on their face. Was it confrontational when they asked why he was going Fox instead of King, or more of a curious 'Why did you decide to do that'? I see nothing in there about them being dickish. As far as the spring rates....companies spend a lot of time on R&D and take pride in the setups they develop. It could have been any joe schmoe rip-off company calling up to get their spring rates so they could develop their own version without the R&D and by getting proprietary information. I can't really blame them for that, and maybe King didn't want that info being given out.

Just playing devil's advocate here....for the quality of products they offer a 'never again' over this seems pretty comical. But, it's your money, not mine.

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I ordered Genright Coilover Kit for my 2013 Jeep JK Unlimited. I originall had a 2009 model but sold it last April. I bought these parts last year and due to the fact I do not make a lot of money, I would save and then by bits and pieces here and there. To make a long story short, it is time for me to start my build. The company doing my build is a local company who does awesome work. The owner has built several Ultra 4 vehicles for some top names in the sport one who has actually won the Hammers. He is very knowledgeable and very meticulously when it comes to building your project. My build includes a coilover suspension front and rear. We are only installing the coilovers and no control arms because those will be custom as well. So the builder knows what spring rate to run in the front of my jeep but was sourcing info from Gentight on their rear coilover setup because he has nerver built their kit. A call to Genright and they would not give him their spring rates, but asked why we were not using King Coilovers. He told them that he has a good relationship with Fox and the cars that he has built was with the Fox product. I have spent quite a bit of money with Genright and I was very upset over stinking spring rates. We were attempting to get a starting point as we know every Jeep is different due to the fact how and where the coilovers are set up.

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So your builder is building you a custom suspension and wants another company's opinion on what they should do? I would understand if it was Genrights components and then they wouldn't assist with the spring rates but if it is a one-off (custom) kit, why is it Genright's duty to do the work on finding the starting point? Based on your location, I'd be guessing either Adam at Tribe4x4 or Josh at Beartrax is doing your build. I find it hard to believe that they'd have trouble coming up which spring rate to use. Here's some good reading behind the process. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...arySpringRates
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If you have such a quality off road rig builder he should be able to find a starting point pretty easy by weighing the jeep and putting the info in a calculator. In a custom set up how you mount the shocks will also affect the coil rates.

Genright does not know what you are doing or what it will weigh when its done so how could they even give you a place to start?

Coming on here and flaming genright because your builder is too stupid to figure coil rates is wrong. You should be flaming your builder so others will stay away from someone that can't figure a simple coil rate.

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Asking to guess isn't fair. Here is what you do...Go to Wayne at All Tech http://www.alltechmotorsports.com/ he is Foxes tuner and I can tell you he tuned my JK Coil overs and the Jeep is so smooth over the bumps. Tell him George with the Silver JK refereed you. It will be the best money you ever spent. You can guess and get close with the weights but he will take it to a new level.

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. As far as the spring rates....companies spend a lot of time on R&D and take pride in the setups they develop. It could have been any joe schmoe rip-off company calling up to get their spring rates so they could develop their own version without the R&D and by getting proprietary information. I can't really blame them for that, and maybe King didn't want that info being given out.

Just playing devil's advocate here....for the quality of products they offer a 'never again' over this seems pretty comical. But, it's your money, not mine.
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As an indifferent third party I am having trouble understanding why you got so pissed over this. They didn't fuck up your order, they didn't lie, they didn't avoid you, they didn't do anything that would normally get a company egg on their face. Was it confrontational when they asked why he was going Fox instead of King, or more of a curious 'Why did you decide to do that'? I see nothing in there about them being dickish. As far as the spring rates....companies spend a lot of time on R&D and take pride in the setups they develop. It could have been any joe schmoe rip-off company calling up to get their spring rates so they could develop their own version without the R&D and by getting proprietary information. I can't really blame them for that, and maybe King didn't want that info being given out.

Just playing devil's advocate here....for the quality of products they offer a 'never again' over this seems pretty comical. But, it's your money, not mine.

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Geez, the more I hear petty shit and dumb ass questions...... No wonder Jeep guys talk shit about guys who own JK's......
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What do you plan to do with the jeep that you need coil overs? If you are on a budget why not get a Rk long arm kit for less then the coil overs?

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OP, yes you are wrong. You got so worked up over nothing.

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