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Hold on....gotta go listen to Pres. er Sen. Obama

I hope you all are listening to your next president explaining away the rhetoric posed by the mis-informed and scared to listen.
Jobs, Gas Prices, here it goes. I'll be back.

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The guy is polished, thatís for sure. I think this is a done deal for anyone undecided that just watched that 30 minute tv spot.
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The guy is polished, thatís for sure. I think this is a done deal for anyone undecided that just watched that 30 minute tv spot.
Yeah, he's polished the knobs of special interests for funding
And if elected he'll polish the knobs of terrorist countries too.
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Yeah, he's polished the knobs of special interests for funding.
I thought the vast majority was $100 donations? Maybe Iím wrong on that.
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As for next Pres... I sure hope the clueless population that is voting for one of the MOST socialistic candidates in our history are out numbered by the wiser voters.
Change is a nice platform, Adolph Hitler used it to take control of Germany.
Change happens everyday, like it or not.
The only thing that has kept our country great for so many years is our foundation!
The Constitution of The United States of America and our Bill of Rights
I am troubled that our failing (yes among the bottom of civilized countries) school system has missed this valuable underlying premise in teaching America's youth.
I am scared that we are contemplating the election of a person who believes our CONSTITUTION is flawed! Do yourself a favor and look up two things. (wikipedia) and dictionary.. The word constitution and The US Constitution.
Then ask yourself if you are willing to loose our guiding document? It has been there a lot longer then 8 years.
And if the reason you might consider the great "change" is because of the rhetoric of "failed economic policy" Then ponder these two facts. The World economy is faltering or correcting/ recession. THE WORLDS economies..not only the US.
And what specifically is being proposed to "fix" and "jump start" our economy?
What I have seen from this candidate has NO history of working. Spread the wealth??
I can't even begin to explain this if you still don't get it. It is the same belief / ideal that criminal thiefs believe in! Endowment versus hard work and commitment.
And if it is "healthcare" promises.. The proposed solution is a JOKE. Insurance is NOT healthcare, why are these idiots believing that Insurance is the solution to a healthcare cost issue?

Please America put on your thinking cap. This is smoke and mirror at its best. Research more then media rhetoric, read your history and get this one right. Then teach your kids how to make informed decisions for their future.

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I thought the vast majority was $100 donations? Maybe I’m wrong on that.
Yeah, from stolen identities and stolen credit cards. haha
He is a skilled orator and a sheep dog leading his flock off a cliff.
I guarantee you he will be softer on terrorism than Bill Clinton was. All economic policies aside, we need a prez that will be tough on foreign matters.

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Yeah, from stolen identities and stolen credit cards. haha
He is a skilled orator and a sheep dog leading his flock off a cliff.
I guarantee you he will be softer on terrorism than Bill Clinton was. All economic policies aside, we need a prez that will be tough on foreign matters.
Funny. President Clinton led our troops into several countries (Bosnia, Kosovo, Yugoslovia) with quick results, an exit strategy, actuly exiting and getting back to normalcy. So tough on foreign matters was his trademark.

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Funny. President Clinton led our troops into several countries (Bosnia, Kosovo, Yugoslovia) with quick results, an exit strategy, actuly exiting and getting back to normalcy. So tough on foreign matters was his trademark.
Don't forget the suicide mission in Somalia, were lucky we got out of there without more killed.
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Don't forget the suicide mission in Somalia, were lucky we got out of there without more killed.
Yes, sadly many brave men were killed but the main mission objective( to remove Adid from power) wasn't achieved and the rangers felt that they shouldn't have left without removing him.

Clinton pulled them out prematurely
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My turn to watch the obama infomercial.
I can't believe he just blamed the housing crisis on "failed bush policies" when it has been proven that it was the democrats that caused it.
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we need a prez that will be tough on foreign matters.
What countries do we need to invade/occupy next in your opinion?
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As for next Pres... I sure hope the clueless population that is voting for one of the MOST socialistic candidates in our history are out numbered by the wiser voters.

Change is a nice platform, Adolph Hitler used it to take control of Germany.
Change happens everyday, like it or not.

The only thing that has kept our country great for so many years is our foundation!
The Constitution of The United States of America and our Bill of Rights
I am troubled that our failing (yes among the bottom of civilized countries) school system has missed this valuable underlying premise in teaching America's youth.
I am scared that we are contemplating the election of a person who believes our CONSTITUTION is flawed! Do yourself a favor and look up two things. (wikipedia) and dictionary.. The word constitution and The US Constitution.

And if the reason you might consider the great "change" is because of the rhetoric of "failed economic policy" Then ponder these two facts. The World economy is faltering or correcting/ recession. THE WORLDS economies..not only the US.

And if it is "healthcare" promises.. The proposed solution is a JOKE. Insurance is NOT healthcare, why are these idiots believing that Insurance is the solution to a healthcare cost issue?

Please America put on your thinking cap. This is smoke and mirror at its best. Research more then media rhetoric, read your history and get this one right. Then teach your kids how to make informed decisions for their future.
1. You must be referring to the clueless population that elected the least capable president in certainly recent U.S. history - Bush 2.

2. Socially connected and socially conscious is totally different than socialistic so scare tactic number one - OOOOhhhhh Socialist.

3. Ooohhh scare tactic 2 - throw the Hitler card when you can't articulate an actual commentary. Then Change happens - you're right. Bush changed us from an actual surplus economy/budget to going into debt billions of dollars per month.... per month.

4. The whole next commentary on the constitution makes absolutely no sense. So next one.

5. Of course there are elements of our constitution that are flawed over 200 years later. They can't be changed without a constitutional ammendment voted by the citizens of this country so scare tactic 3 means zero, nothing. Senator Obama is a constitutional scholar and, I'm sure has the highest regard for our "founding documents". But you're right, under Bush 2 the U.S. constitution has ben ignored, circumvented and drug thruogh the mud around the world. He has shown the world that under a Hitler-esque regime, we will tap the phones of Americans, ignore the Geneva convention and improperly torture prisoners on U.S. soil. Not to mention outing covert CIA operatives becasue their husbands don't tow the Bush line. As a former intelligence dude, that my friend is espoinage and punnishable by life in prison or death. Thats change I can't wait to get rid of.

6. The worlds economies are failing BECAUSE of U.S. economic failures. The worlds economies - Europe and Asia - are tied to the U.S. economy because we had been a beacon of trust and dependability to the world. No longer. Now, because we (as a nation) let unregulated Wall St. types run our economy into the ground, other coutries and complete economies are being flushed down the toilet along with us. If we continue to borrow (debtor society) from these nations we will be continuously in their debt for generations. We will no longer be a super anything - especially super-power because we will be seen as idiots to the world, in debt unable to even pay our bills.

7. Don't even start on health care. The current system is laughable. We spend more money on less health care than most advanced countries. The only people who think national health care shouldn't happen are people with health insurance. What about the other 27% of our country? They don't deserve health care if they work hard but don't get company coverage or can't afford it or have an existing condition? The rich have it, the poorest have it but too many hard-working people can't cover their families because of above mentioned issues. EVERY person in this country deserves to have the same health care that every government employee enjoys - can't be cancelled, can't be rejected and a choice of providers.

No matter what you think about Obama, Bush or McCain - we can't do any worse than what we've endured for 8 years. So the choice is more of the same with McCain or a chance at vast improvement under Obama.

So your only options now are to form an articulate sentence, without the pointless scare/smear tactics that have cost McCain and Palin the election to speak intelligently about facts or ............. start with the ignorant name calling and sentence fragments.

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You're not. He is.



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My turn to watch the obama infomercial.
I can't believe he just blamed the housing crisis on "failed bush policies" when it has been proven that it was the democrats that caused it.
Okay - once again - prove your "proven that it was the democrats that caused it". The Democrats didn't cause anything, neither did the Republicans - it is both, the whole system was asleep at the wheel for too long. It was caused by banking deregulation which began in the 1970's and continued into this century. Insidious and continuous lack of oversight on the lending institutions bent on increased profits at the expense of the consumer.

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As for next Pres... I sure hope the clueless population that is voting for one of the MOST socialistic candidates in our history are out numbered by the wiser voters.

You've met me in real life several times. Do I strike you as clueless?

I think that's just something easy to type on the internet and explain away everyone who disagrees w/ you as moronic, simpletons, clueless etc.

Poor form regardless.

And yes, our constitution is FLAWED. That's why it has been AMMENDED. You dont ammend a perfect document.

5 days to go til america formally rejects the conservative agenda. About time.



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Okay - once again - prove your "proven that it was the democrats that caused it". The Democrats didn't cause anything, neither did the Republicans - it is both, the whole system was asleep at the wheel for too long. It was caused by banking deregulation which began in the 1970's and continued into this century. Insidious and continuous lack of oversight on the lending institutions bent on increased profits at the expense of the consumer.
I'm looking for the link to the bloomberg report that lays it out.
Here's how it all happened: some democrat senators from NC, GA et.al. pressured clinton into allowing freddie and fannie to create sub prime mortgages for low income ppl and immigrants. Repubs saw it spirling out of control and tried to stop it bt introducing bill S190 to regulate fannie and freddie but the democrats wouldnt even let it goto vote. I've researched this in great detail
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Yes, sadly many brave men were killed but the main mission objective( to remove Adid from power) wasn't achieved and the rangers felt that they shouldn't have left without removing him.

Clinton pulled them out prematurely
Your pie-hole is once again overloading your brain. The mission was hurried and not planned/executed properly. It was poorly executed and that's that. I can write you a book on things that went wrong there including the improper use of foriegn troops to "help" us on the ground but that's for another time. The president had nothing to do with it. If you had ever inserted into a hostile environment, you would know that the President isn't there, doesn't command and can't do anything to help or hurt an operation once it's sanctioned. So let's stick to something you might know about please. Oh, and it's Aidid but close.

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What countries do we need to invade/occupy next in your opinion?
I can't predict which evil dictator will begin genocide next but since USA is part of NATO we are obligated to help those who can't help themselves.

Do you think we should back out of NATO?

Do you think rouge nations who absolutely want to destroy us and our NATO allies should be allowed to have nuclear weapons?

Do you think your average Americans opinion about Iraq really matters?
Or do you think that the Iraqi peoples opinion matters more than yours?
The soldiers fighting in Iraq and the Iraqi people they are helping aren't given their fair say in the matter. Iraqis were very happy to have saddam removed because he was a murderous thug who killed ppl for disagreeing with him.
But if you remove the core from an apple and want that apple to stay alive you have to replace it with another core. I think I have a better analogy around here somewhere.
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I can't predict which evil dictator will begin genocide next but since USA is part of NATO we are obligated to help those who can't help themselves.

Do you think we should back out of NATO?

Do you think rouge nations who absolutely want to destroy us and our NATO allies should be allowed to have nuclear weapons?

Do you think your average Americans opinion about Iraq really matters?
Or do you think that the Iraqi peoples opinion matters more than yours?
The soldiers fighting in Iraq and the Iraqi people they are helping aren't given their fair say in the matter. Iraqis were very happy to have saddam removed because he was a murderous thug who killed ppl for disagreeing with him.
But if you remove the core from an apple and want that apple to stay alive you have to replace it with another core. I think I have a better analogy around here somewhere.
And exactly which African nations with on-going genocide, ethnic cleansing, civil-war are we helping? Yes American's opinions on invading foreign countries that we have to pay for matter immensly.

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Your pie-hole is once again overloading your brain. The mission was hurried and not planned/executed properly. It was poorly executed and that's that. I can write you a book on things that went wrong there including the improper use of foriegn troops to "help" us on the ground but that's for another time. The president had nothing to do with it. If you had ever inserted into a hostile environment, you would know that the President isn't there, doesn't command and can't do anything to help or hurt an operation once it's sanctioned. So let's stick to something you might know about please. Oh, and it's Aidid but close.
Whatever dude. I know the truth. The Rangers didn't want to leave without removing aidid because they felt their lost brothers would've died in vain.
And YES Clinton pulled them out because of the heavy loses. Basiclly Clinton lost the battle for us. Typical yellow democrat. Get shot at and run.
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Whatever dude. I know the truth. The Rangers didn't want to leave without removing aidid because they felt their lost brothers would've died in vain.
And YES Clinton pulled them out because of the heavy loses. Basiclly Clinton lost the battle for us. Typical yellow democrat. Get shot at and run.
Sorry Dude, you only know the truth if you were there....and trust me, you don't know the truth.

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And exactly which African nations with on-going genocide, ethnic cleansing, civil-war are we helping? Yes American's opinions on invading foreign countries that we have to pay for matters immensly.
A) I wasn't talking to you.
B) I was talking about the fact that your opinion of Iraq doesn't matter.
It's the soldiers and the Iraqis opinions that matter. If we leave Iraq in shambles they will be worse off then before we liberated them.
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Sorry Dude, you only know the truth if you were there....and trust me, you don't know the truth.
Oh, you were there?
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Step down from your pedestal dude. You have no clue what I know.
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