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post #1 of 31 Old 11-09-2008, 09:04 AM Thread Starter
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New JK and Two Questions...

Hello, I just got the new '08 JK last week... a big difference from the '99 TJ I just sold.

I have two questions about the JK:

- I just noticed the new JK sits about an inch lower on the passender's side (yes, I measured it). The suspention is still stock. Has anyone experienced this?

- After just 150 miles the wheels are filthy. Are there any low dust brake pads avalible for the JK?

Thanks for any comments.




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post #2 of 31 Old 11-09-2008, 11:01 AM
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New brakes will show considerable dust (black- powder) and will accumulate on especially the front wheels. The brakes are fine...completely normal. After several hundred miles you will see less of the dust. Brake pads are just getting broken in. As to why it may be leaning to one side- Sounds as if you need to make sure that you are on a completely level surface. Put the jeep somewhere else (on the street/ in a parking lot) and check again. If it still looks like that then you may look around the shafts of the shocks on that side to make sure one of them isn't leaking fluid/ and that the shafts are not damaged. A damaged or bent shaft can cause fluid loss and subsequently slight lean. Also when checking the "lean" make sure that the wheels are pointed completely straight ahead. May also be a control arm out of adjustment. You may want to check them to see that all hardware has not loosened. The fuel tank is located on the passenger side, but even when full, I don't believe it would cause the vehicle to lean noticeably. You may also check to make sure that the swaybar is connected on both sides. Springs might be another possibility- if someone wheeled the jeep and really compressed that side severely- Doubtful.

See what some one else may recommend- as this is just an educated opinion. There may have been something that I am overlooking. Good luck.
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everything he said and you may want to look at your upper shock mount brackets. it is shaped like a dog bone. i never had a problem with this in my first wrangler...but my 03x...i went through 3 of these. sucks because you have to by a mopar shock just to get that mount. if that is snapped, could cause a lean.
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I have an '07 and it does the same. I thinks it's the fuel tank. The lean gets more noticable when I fill it up.
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I have an 08 Unlimited and it had the lean before being lifted and it has it after being lifted.Mine is about 3/4 inch.
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Really don't know. I'm like cousineddy. Have a 3" fooltraction lift and still leans. Not much, but more noticeable when the tank is full. This winter I'm pulling all the springs to check there hieght. But for now, other than adding a little character and being a conversation starter..."Hey did you know your Jeeps is leaning?" I haven't noticed any problems.
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Yes this is due to the fuel tank on the passinger side.I put acos in the front to level it.
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The JK is new with only 265 miles on the clock... it hasn't been off road yet. In the picture above, it was on a level driveway and the wheels where straight. Nothing looks bent, broke or leaking. With the fuel tank on the right side as I'm being told by some others (lifted and not lifted alike) that it is due to the fuel tank being entirely on the right side of the vehicle. On average, on a 72* day, one gallon of gas weighs 6.2 pounds. So 6.2 pounds x 18 gallons = 1,116 pounds on the right side. That's a big difference if you ask me with nothing on the other side to balance things out.

As for the brakes, my Chrysler Crossfire had very dirty OEM brakes. I put on Rotex Gold pads and the problem went away, so I was just wondering if other JK owners noticed the dust and changed their pads, and if so what kind and what brand.

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Bad calculator there

You might wawnt to reclaculate the 6.2 X 18 thing. The correct answer is 111.6 lbs. Not enough to make any part of a jeep sag.
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[QUOTE=BOBY435;53272]You might wawnt to reclaculate the 6.2 X 18 thing. The correct answer is 111.6 lbs. Not enough to make any part of a jeep sag.]

Maybe It's my perception, but it seems to be more pronounced with a full tank of full. For S&G's I'll wait till my tanks, empty, measure the jeep, fill the tank, and re-measure. I'll post my results
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You might wawnt to reclaculate the 6.2 X 18 thing. The correct answer is 111.6 lbs. Not enough to make any part of a jeep sag.
My mistake... thanks for catching it.

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I was just searching for rear brake pads recently and noticed rockauto sells a ceramic pad. I don't remember the brand.

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You might wawnt to reclaculate the 6.2 X 18 thing. The correct answer is 111.6 lbs. Not enough to make any part of a jeep sag.
really? go throw a couple cases of water in the front seat you will see a huge LEAN from the water alone. 100 pounds will most certainly make the jeep lean

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MY JK always leaned to the passenger side, before been lifted and after. Full or empty gas tank. I fixed it by using a 3/4" spacer at the rear on the passenger side.
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Mine also leans to the passenger side, more so when the tank is full. Iíll probably do the same as PhilD and add a ĺ" spacer.
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really? go throw a couple cases of water in the front seat you will see a huge LEAN from the water alone. 100 pounds will most certainly make the jeep lean
Not sure I'd say it is a huge lean, but is why you should measure side to side differences with some sat in the driver seat. It didn't make much difference for me, about 1/4".
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My leans big time since the lift..

Could be because of the fuel tank and the fact that the right side is the torque down side of the motor.

Alot of Jeeps have this.. they call it the "Jeep Lean".
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Could be because of the fuel tank and the fact that the right side is the torque down side of the motor.
I suspect it is more to do with the rear track bar pulling down the passenger side as it holds the axle centered, but I may be wrong.
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I suspect it is more to do with the rear track bar pulling down the passenger side as it holds the axle centered, but I may be wrong.
We thought that too, and to a certain extent you are correct.. but mine still leans with the both track bars disco'ed.
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Maybe Jeep did it like a racecar. When you add body weight to the driver side, does it even out.
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Maybe Jeep did it like a racecar. When you add body weight to the driver side, does it even out.
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I fixed it by using a 3/4" spacer at the rear on the passenger side.
Where and how did you install the spacer?

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Your wheels are dirty from the crap the dealer puts on the tires the over spray gets on the wheels and the brake dust sticks to it. My Jeep also leans to the right unless I'm on a hill with the left side facing down hill

The spacer will go between the spring and the upper spring seat, disconnect the rear sway bar both sides remove the right rear shock jack the frame only up you then should be able to insert the spacer. reverse


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So I need a fat girlfriend... dunno about that mod.

Now that's funny.

Mine used to lean to the passenger side a bit as well. All I can say is, I am glad I have those ACOS all around. The passenger rear is dialed out about 3/8" where the other 3 corners are fully compressed and she sits pretty good now.

I just need to find me some 40" tires to give me an excuse to dial them all out the 2" I have to spare


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This will take care of your lean http://www.jk-forum.com/showthread.php?t=57502

Over the past few years dealing with JK's on a regular basis, we have seen a few JK's lifted or not that have had a lean to one side or the other.

We have now come up with a solution that will help alleviate/basis the vehicle back to level.

Simply measure the swaybar links that you have on your vehicle from center hole to center hole. Purchase the length needed from our website. Install them and turn the linkage (gold hex bar in the middle) longer on the lower side of the vehicle. This will help bias the vehicles swaybar to compensate for the added side weight or whatever else is causing the leaning.

These can be used on the front and rear of the JK, with or with a lift kit. We offer linkage lengths from 5.5" - 15.9" in 1.4" adjustable lengths. These can be used on all JK Models (X, Sahara, Rubicon) but are not disconnectable.

The links are Heavy Duty 3/4" Solid Hex bar linkages, zinc plated with 1/2" studded teflon lined heim joints.

These can be used as heavy duty sway bar links.

This should only be used for vehicles that lean slightly. Severely leaning vehicles should check for other issues before installing.

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