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Old 11-21-2011, 06:30 AM   #1
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Skid Plates: Rock Hard vs. River Raider

I'm in the market for skids for my 08 JKU Rubicon.

Can anyone comment on these 2 systems?

Diferences in:

Weight?

Protection?

Ease of maintenance/fluid changes?

Ease of installation?

Durability?

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Yo, here is another option too!!! I have heard the Synergy fit & finish is bar none to alot of whats out there as far as skids go.

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WOW. Synergy was $1,800 for complete set with gas tank and powder coated. That seems pretty high? That is more than the River Raider complete set with gas tank.
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WOW. Synergy was $1,800 for complete set with gas tank and powder coated. That seems pretty high? That is more than the River Raider complete set with gas tank.
It's about double! Ouch.


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Synergy system is utterly bullet proof. You can lift the entire rig on the main skid. Without the tank skid it weighs about 100 lbs. Only negative with their full skid design is that it replaces the crossmember and to get at anything other than the front driveshaft you have to remove the entire thing, something of a regular PITA but doable.
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They all dent/smash in over time from prolonged hard use - all of them. They may be bulletproof, but none have been hammers-proof. So get whatever design you like, whats in your budget, or buy from a company you like dealing with.

I have gravitated back to the Rock hard skids because they are cheap, fit perfect, and those bolt sliders are a life saver for those of us who need to constantly remove plates to do mods. You will always beat on your trans skid the worst, so make sure you can easily remove that one to straighten out the dents. If you wheel extensively in the big rocks, consider trans skid plates an item that will need to be replaced every few years.

Poly and RR will probably provide the best customer service, that has been my experience.
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Rockhard for the only reason is that you won't have to buy their bolt sliders for whatever else you get.

Stay away from River Raider if you value your Jeep. His design SUCKS!!!!! Worst thing I have EVER seen sold for a Jeep, PERIOD! The design is such that if you put ANY weight on it from the bottom, you WILL crush your tranny pan. There is less that a 1/4" of clearance in the two that I have seen so far and they have a lip (sharp edge) that is what is just a cunt hair away from your tranny pan and the lip is UNDER the pan, not wide enough to clear. STUPID design!

BUT..... what DD stated is the truth. Every design out there is horrible. I have destroyed many sets of skids. They just can't hold up being so thin. I want to see a vendor come out with 1/4"+ skids with lots of cross stiffeners!
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I had rock hard on both my JKU's. I recently switched them out to TnT Customs Al armor.

The rock hards are a good product. Well made. Fit well. Protect well. Only drawback is weight.

TNT armor is really light weight but strong. Every bit of weight savings helps these jku's.

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Out here we run Rock Hard skids since we play on the Hammers trails, Moab, and the Rubicon. One of the only designs out there that does not marry your oil pan skid plate to your frame. Systems that do that usually result in vibrations and bolts backing out since the engine cannot flex. Rock Hard ships powdercoated which helps keep customer costs down. The bolt head protectors are invaluable.

My typical skid plate package for customers:
Rock Hard gas tank, oil pan/transmission, transfer case skids
Poison Spyder Evap Skid (love the way it fully encases your evap canister)

We've installed Poly/Synergy skids - get system as well.
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Rockhard for the only reason is that you won't have to buy their bolt sliders for whatever else you get.

Stay away from River Raider if you value your Jeep. His design SUCKS!!!!! Worst thing I have EVER seen sold for a Jeep, PERIOD! The design is such that if you put ANY weight on it from the bottom, you WILL crush your tranny pan. There is less that a 1/4" of clearance in the two that I have seen so far and they have a lip (sharp edge) that is what is just a cunt hair away from your tranny pan and the lip is UNDER the pan, not wide enough to clear. STUPID design!

BUT..... what DD stated is the truth. Every design out there is horrible. I have destroyed many sets of skids. They just can't hold up being so thin. I want to see a vendor come out with 1/4"+ skids with lots of cross stiffeners!
We have sold thousands of set of skids for 3.8l 3.6l and Hemi jeeps. Our design holds up incredibly well. The issue with the tranny pan on the automatics has been resolved quite some time ago and is really a non an issue. However I know who you are and have spoken with you personally and I feel that your incredibly biased against our product as a result of us not giving you a deeper discount on the River Raider parts you requested.

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... Systems that do that usually result in vibrations and bolts backing out since the engine cannot flex...
I have the older RR skid plate and i have that issuse with vibs and bolts backing out between the oil skid and trans skid.


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We have sold thousands of set of skids for 3.8l 3.6l and Hemi jeeps. Our design holds up incredibly well. The issue with the tranny pan on the automatics has been resolved quite some time ago and is really a non an issue. However I know who you are and have spoken with you personally and I feel that your incredibly biased against our product as a result of us not giving you a deeper discount on the River Raider parts you requested.

If anyone has any questions about our skids we would be happy to help you by phone .....717 262 3079


Crash- i noticed one of the pics shows the oil skid to the trans crossmember is now now one piece?
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I have the older RR skid plate and i have that issuse with vibs and bolts backing out between the oil skid and trans skid.

Crash- i noticed one of the pics shows the oil skid to the trans crossmember is now now one piece?
I think that is for a Hemi....
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I have the older RR skid plate and i have that issuse with vibs and bolts backing out between the oil skid and trans skid.





Crash- i noticed one of the pics shows the oil skid to the trans crossmember is now now one piece?
Yes the Hemi and 3.6L oil pan and tranny skids are a one piece design that attaches to the frame and tranny cross member. The 3.8L is a two piece design. The three bolts that connect your gen 1 oil pan and tranny skid should use nylock nuts. If they are not I can send you new hardware. If you would like your oil pan and tranny updated to the current 3.8L design I would be happy to modify them for free. Feel free to pm or call.
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I have the Rockhard oil pan/tranny skid on my '07. It has worked well for me but it rides very close to the exhaust crossover pipe. My exhaust would contact the skid when the engine was under load in reverse. I called them up and asked for their "shim plate" which goes between the crossmember and the skid. It effectively lowers the skid and solved my problem.
The only suggestion I could make would be for them to harden the bolt protectors. The protectors work, but every time I have to remove the skid I usually need to remove metal to get a socket onto the bolt head. I usually have to chisel the lips of the protectors. Granted, that's easier than removing broken bolts, but it would seem to me to be easy just to harden them so they don't mushroom so bad on the rocks.
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We have sold thousands of set of skids for 3.8l 3.6l and Hemi jeeps. Our design holds up incredibly well. The issue with the tranny pan on the automatics has been resolved quite some time ago and is really a non an issue. However I know who you are and have spoken with you personally and I feel that your incredibly biased against our product as a result of us not giving you a deeper discount on the River Raider parts you requested.
Discount? I didn't ask for a discount, but neither did I ask you to gouge me. Attempting to raise your prices on me by 40% is a pretty dick move. Funny thing is I never talked to you after you gave me that inflated price and I asked around what others might have gotten it for, since the price seemed VERY high to me.

Easy solution, buy from someone else that isn't trying to fuck me.

As for this being solved "some time ago?" Your definition and mine might be a little different. I know someone that bought a set of your skids in the last three or four months.... he received this bad design you claim to have corrected "some time ago" and from my understanding, you gave him the run around when he called to inquire.

BUT.... that brings up a thought. All I had to do was take a .5 second look at the skid to see it would be a major headache.... you, doing this shit all day long couldn't figure that out and sold these in that configuration? Wow! Just putting one on the street with such an obviously bad design says a lot.


OP: Still.... the Rockhard is your best bet, if for only the inclusion of the bolt skids.
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I recommend the Poly skids. The fit, design, durability, and countersunk screws are awesome. The beating they take without deforming is insane. I've had my beefs with a few of Poly's products, and still do, but I can't say shit about their skids. They are bad ass.
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FWIW, I've been using River Raider products since the beginning of their JK product line. I've always been very impressed with the quality and fit. And Kenny has always been a great dude to do business with.
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Yeah, I've been running the RR full skid system since day one on my JKU. First time I took it out I slammed pretty hard straight on the tranny skid full force. One of those jaw drop, pause, look at everyone else and see their expression before I moved. And while it had some scratching and a little dent, it isn't rubbing the trans and I think it has held up well. Just my two cents.
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WOW. Synergy was $1,800 for complete set with gas tank and powder coated. That seems pretty high? That is more than the River Raider complete set with gas tank.
There could be several reasons for this but the following is what I would suspect:
-Differences in materials (grade 50-A572 vrs regular hot rolled steel), ours are about 30% stronger and 25% less weight than everyone else using regular 1/4" plate).
-Difference in design... Our 3 piece design vrs most of the other 2 piece designs, we also replace the factory cross member (none of the other skid mfg's in this thread do that as far as I can tell.
-Level of margin we have to engineer into the finial product so that larger distributors will sell it.

If you are wanting to save a few bucks look at the unpainted version ($1055 COMPLETE) or look at using the regular tranny skid instead of the HD one that replaces the factory cross member ($805 COMPLETE).

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It's about double! Ouch.
Do your homework. The Synergy skid stuff really isn't that much more if you are looking at the standard system and consider the other differences.


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Synergy system is utterly bullet proof. You can lift the entire rig on the main skid. Without the tank skid it weighs about 100 lbs. Only negative with their full skid design is that it replaces the crossmember and to get at anything other than the front driveshaft you have to remove the entire thing, something of a regular PITA but doable.
Thanks for the kind words man! FYI, we do offer a skid system that reuses the factory cross member; its a bit less expensive and makes getting to the drive shaft components a bit easier. Click here for more info.

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They all dent/smash in over time from prolonged hard use - all of them. They may be bulletproof, but none have been hammers-proof. So get whatever design you like, whats in your budget, or buy from a company you like dealing with.

Poly and RR will probably provide the best customer service, that has been my experience.
Yo dude, the Hammers is when we do 99% of our product testing! However, I would agree 100% with using a company you like to deal with and that offers good customer service/support.

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I recommend the Poly skids. The fit, design, durability, and countersunk screws are awesome. The beating they take without deforming is insane. I've had my beefs with a few of Poly's products, and still do, but I can't say shit about their skids. They are bad ass.
Thanks for the kind word about the skids! I am interested in hearing/learning more about your "beefs". We want to make sure all of our customers (both Poly and Synergy) are 100% satisfied. Please PM me so I can help make things right for you.
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I don't know why anyone would want powdercoated skids if they plan on using them as designed. If ever there was a product that is best suited to rattle canning IMHO it's skids.
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I don't know why anyone would want powdercoated skids if they plan on using them as designed. If ever there was a product that is best suited to rattle canning IMHO it's skids.
Agreed. Sometimes you gotta give the people what they are asking for though, such was the case for us anyways...
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