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post #1 of 165 Old 02-14-2017, 03:47 PM Thread Starter
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PSC Big Balls HD steering gearbox...

Anyone have this on order? I guess they are shipping in the next couple weeks? Anyone think it's a bad idea?

I'm in the final stage of my build, only took 6 years for me to accomplish what most of you are doing in 6 months...

So now a steering upgrade is the final step. I'm torn between the new HD box and hydro assist ram. Running 37 x 13.5 tires and I have already upgraded every other steering part, tie rod, drag link, sector shaft brace, ball joints, knuckles, etc. I'm really attracted to the idea that I can just swap the new box in and call it a day. Painless install!

The hydro assist install is somewhat more intimidating and maybe double the price. Even WTO I would still need a ported box and get a new welded trackbar bracket and ram mount. I can't see this costing less than the $850 of the HD gearbox.
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I think they mentioned they'd be selling a tapped version of the box for hydro too


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Damn, it's hard t beat the redneck ram for the money.

Did I see here that someone had a ram setup that mounted to the knuckle? RockKrawler?

You had mentioned the cost of a welded track bar bracket..... Do this regardless.

I just did the drag link flip and raised track bar bracket. The raised roll center really helps the road manners.

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Unless you need the box rebuild, do the drilling and tapping yourself. You can do the assist for less than $500. That's without being frugal. Worse case, you fuck up the box and already have the ram and hoses for the PSC box. The assist makes a night and day difference with the 37's.
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The hydro assist install is somewhat more intimidating and maybe double the price. Even WTO I would still need a ported box and get a new welded trackbar bracket and ram mount. I can't see this costing less than the $850 of the HD gearbox.
Actually, it's a lot cheaper for WTO (as long as you can do the install and welding yourself). WTO with a ported and rebuilt box (either send in your box ahead of time, or a refundable core charge when you mail your old one in), including ram, mounting tabs, and hoses is $550.
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If you read the fine print, PSC recommends their upgraded pump with the new box. With that amount of pressure, one would think a cooler makes sense as well. Starting to get expensive. The selling point is simple - bolt on.

If stock steering boxes shear off the frame, that box should fall off with ease. There is already a lot of flex at the frame with a stock box. Seems like a lot to ask of a drag link as well. EVO bent a stock drag link with that box. Hard to say if that is any safer than running full hydro on the street (at least then you don't need a tie rod or drag link).
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If you read the fine print, PSC recommends their upgraded pump with the new box. With that amount of pressure, one would think a cooler makes sense as well. Starting to get expensive. The selling point is simple - bolt on.

If stock steering boxes shear off the frame, that box should fall off with ease. There is already a lot of flex at the frame with a stock box. Seems like a lot to ask of a drag link as well. EVO bent a stock drag link with that box. Hard to say if that is any safer than running full hydro on the street (at least then you don't need a tie rod or drag link).
This is the second time you've mentioned frame damage from stock steering boxes. Do you have a link or pictures? Mostly curious, since finding pictures of broken sector shafts is not hard.

I went with the tapped OEM box and 1.5" ram mostly for cost reasons but I also like the idea of easily replacing the OEM pump when it goes.

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Redneck Ram Assist for $450 and you have zero reason to give a shit about another over priced PSC turd.


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Redneck Ram Assist for $450 and you have zero reason to give a shit about another over priced PSC turd.
Seriously, tell us all how you really feel.

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I just did. I feel bad for the people that buy into the $1200 PSC systems that do nothing better than the base Redneck system.

If your over 37" tires and need a larger RAM than the base system, I get the point of the PSC higher volume pump and reservoir. But the majority of folks put down way more money than required while the West Texas system will knock it out of the park for the price of about $450.

I don't get how PSC is held in such high regard while the WTO RRA system is a direct competitor for a third of the cost.

And once that ram is in place, you don't need a beefed up steering gear, sector braces or a cooler. It's all alleviated with the installation of that ram.

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I just did. I feel bad for the people that buy into the $1200 PSC systems that do nothing better than the base Redneck system.

If your over 37" tires and need a larger RAM than the base system, I get the point of the PSC higher volume pump and reservoir. But the majority of folks put down way more money than required while the West Texas system will knock it out of the park for the price of about $450.

I don't get how PSC is held in such high regard while the WTO RRA system is a direct competitor for a third of the cost.

And once that ram is in place, you don't need a beefed up steering gear, sector braces or a cooler. It's all alleviated with the installation of that ram.

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Can you out turn your base WTO system? Curious if it's as quick as the PSC.
In the parking lot, yes. No issue once just above idle.

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In the parking lot, yes. No issue once just above idle.
Correct, if your say at an idle and jerk-steer to turn 90 degrees, you hit the resistance. Never happens while wheeling or normal driving. I've only ever felt it a few times. But I can put my right front tire against a telephone pole and push the jeep sideways from the pole with no more effort than a stock JK turning the steering while stopped on the street. And all that for..... $450.
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Correct, if your say at an idle and jerk-steer to turn 90 degrees, you hit the resistance. Never happens while wheeling or normal driving. I've only ever felt it a few times. But I can put my right front tire against a telephone pole and push the jeep sideways from the pole with no more effort than a stock JK turning the steering while stopped on the street. And all that for..... $450.
Seriously man, I need you to stop.

The bride is going to kill me if I do this. She just finished paying for January's tire-xtravaganza.

Sounds like just too much fun of a project to pass up though. Big return for little cash.

Thanks for the feedback.
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I was talking to some steering guys at KOTH and they said while the new box is stronger it still runs the small valving in it which generates a lot of heat so you defiantly want to run a cooler with it.
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I pre ordered one. The 850. Is a little deceiving. The actual price is 1069.00. The ports are bigger and requires a larger pressure hose. Also they recommend a cooler and larger return hose. Northridge4x4 sells it as a complete kit and that's the price. The reason I went with this set up rather than doing a ram is, is that it's my daily driver but I also wheel it to. I've ran into quite a few people that have had the ram take a crap with daily driving and I like to go against the grain so to speak.

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The reason I went with this set up rather than doing a ram is, is that it's my daily driver but I also wheel it to. I've ran into quite a few people that have had the ram take a crap with daily driving and I like to go against the grain so to speak.
Umm... do you have any links to rams taking a crap while daily driving? I can't think how this would happen. Is it the hoses? If so they were probably poorly routed and abraded by rubbing stuff and then failed. Basic hydraulic elements like rams and hoses are amazingly efficient, the entire industrial world is powered by them and they don't simply fail all the time.
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Umm... do you have any links to rams taking a crap while daily driving? I can't think how this would happen. Is it the hoses? If so they were probably poorly routed and abraded by rubbing stuff and then failed. Basic hydraulic elements like rams and hoses are amazingly efficient, the entire industrial world is powered by them and they don't simply fail all the time.
These are just guys that I have talked to over the last few years but 2 guys that I wheel with have had failures with the ram leaking. Both of there ram set ups where budget builds.

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I pre ordered one. The 850. Is a little deceiving. The actual price is 1069.00. The ports are bigger and requires a larger pressure hose. Also they recommend a cooler and larger return hose. Northridge4x4 sells it as a complete kit and that's the price. The reason I went with this set up rather than doing a ram is, is that it's my daily driver but I also wheel it to. I've ran into quite a few people that have had the ram take a crap with daily driving and I like to go against the grain so to speak.

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I have been running the WTO setup for almost 4 years now. Never had any problems with it. Have it setup a little different with the ram pushing closer to the knuckle instead of in the middle of the tie rod.
If you can change a steering box you can do this install also.
I could see the PSC box being nice as now you don't have to in worry about hoses and a ram.

On my new jeep I will probably do the WTO ram again.
It just works, didn't have to upgrade my pump or add a new resevior, I did add a cooler.
Time will tell if the Psc box is a good as it sounds.

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Running a WTO rebuilt and tapped box with a 1.5" ram and stock pump. I installed a single pass 17" durale heatsink cooler along with making my own hoses using aeroquip stuff with field serviceable steel fittings. Double shear mounting points on both sides of the ram for maxium strength. This setup has worked flawless for three years and I paid a couple hundred less for everything than what this box cost. The turning force is really something else and the highway ride surprised the shit out of me. I wouldn't want to be a guinee pig for something as expensive as this new box as well. Some guys are afraid of installing assist because its a bit more involved but theres really nothing to it. Also I constantly see guys mention they don't want the "drawbacks" of hydro assist. No idea what the fuck that means but ok sure. See the link below it has tons of good information about how the system works and how to install it. You don't have to drill and tap your own box you can just send it to WTO

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