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Please advise- best choice for the money-

Personal protection/ close range/ low kick-back.....which (if any) would you choose- or please advise of others better suited that I don't have listed. Thanks

Baretta PX4- Storm- .40 s&w/ $?

Ruger GP-100- .357/ 4"/ $475
Ruger SP-101- .357/ 3 1/16"/ 5 shot/ $455
Ruger SP-101- .357/ 3 1/16"/ spurless hammer/ dbl action/ $455

Springfield Armory XD- .40 s&w/ 3"/ $565
Springfield Armory 1911-A1 GI Champion- .45 acp/ 4"/ $525

Taurus Judge- .410 2 1/2" shotshell or .45 Colt ammo/ 3"/ $475
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Thanks BLUERUBI- I'll have to look into those.

I want the most stopping power but with as little kick-back as possible....without spending an arm and a leg.

I currently have a Taurus 9mm, and I don't think it has enough stopping power to drop someone where they stand.
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oh well you know what they say opinions, so here goes.

I understand that there 8.256 billion debates on appropriate calibers for self defense; however, i pretty much figure thats for the military and police to argue. If all else fails and I am forced into an armed confrontation I figure the bang and ouch should be enough to end it, no matter the caliber. If I end up facing some strung out speed head Ill stick to the plan (i live in NY) voice intent, shoot to kill, retreat and repeat if necessary. If i am in my home, then it is retreat,voice intent and shoot. (while on the phone w/ 911). I carry a Glock 19 in 9mm. 16rnds in the gun and 2 15 rnd backups.
9mm has done a good job in many a gunfight. Your initial choice .357 is great as well. .45 is a classic and .40 or .410 shotshell are all standards.

Based on your choices I would say
#1 if you go revolver .357 or judge cant be beat. .357 options are endless and there is no doubt about stopping power. revolvers are simple and almost fail-proof.

As far as an auto. All the same applies. w/ the exception of capacity and reliability.
Modern autos are extremely reliable(if properly taken care of) have high capacity(depending on state, caliber and size) and are quicker to reload than a revolver.


Now the opinion, and it is only an opinion.

Revolver in .357 pick what you like there aint nothing bad out there.
Taurus judge, i dont have any exp. but the thing looks to be pure genius.

Autos: Find something you are comfortable carrying/ holding, shooting and more importantly is reliable. (keep it clean).
Id reccomend H&K's though a little more$ and on the lower end $$ Glocks.
Both are fuctional and reliable in any caliber and have great customer feedback.
Worst ive heard is glocks are ugly(who cares) and H&K's are too expensive.
I have heard not so good things about the springfield x-series as far as performance and reliability.. Cant say anything about the Berretta storm xcept i never liked my shotgun so im biased,then im always open to if its good enough for the military its good enough for me.(ie 92f).

Ok got my .o2 and a little babbling in. I hope something helped, if not ill try to hit the thread again w/ less wind and more objectivity.
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Stub, I am going to a gun show today and I will put my hands on the ones that I am not familiar with. The age old debate over wheel guns vs autos, .45 vs 9mm vs .357 etc... can be searched with endless results so I won't get into that....

My .02 is that you need to find something that gives you what you want for stopping power AND has a size/weight that will allow you to carry it. Once you find the right one then go find a good deal on it - even if it doesn't fall into your initial price range.... the bottom line is that you have to carry it first in order to be protected. I am a .45 guy (1911s) and even my Colt defender gets a little cumbersome depending on the clothes that I am wearing. If I wear pants (I hate wearing pants) it is no problem and if I have a decent belt with my shorts (preferred mode of fashion) it is not so bad. I am thinking about getting something that I can throw into a pocket for those times that I don't want to carry the .45. I had a .410 derringer that I shaved the sights off of - it was a nice pocket gun and had a cool factor of about 9.5, I shaved the sights off of it so I could draw it faster. The derringer was nice but I had to practice drawing and engaging the hammer (auto mod wouldn't let me say ****ing <--- haha) at the same time which took a little work.

I have not seen one of the Judges first hand but have seen the commercials etc.... a 5 shot .410 would get someone's attention with some buck shot... or a slug..

I like the Rugers and have owned the SP101 DA with the spurless hammer (sold to a friend)...

I bought the wife one of the S&W Airlites made of Scandium chambered in .357 and she loves it - so do I and am thinking about getting one for myself.

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I bought the wife one of the S&W Airlites made of Scandium chambered in .357 and she loves it - so do I and am thinking about getting one for myself.

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I have that same weapon, a 340 PD... That thing HURTS when you shoot .357 mag rounds! I practice with .38 special.

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the bottom line is that you have to carry it first in order to be protected.
x100! Is this a carry gun? If so I recommend a small frame .38 revolver. I have a S&W airweight bodyguard with a shrouded hammer so it can be shot single-action if needed. The scandium models are even lighter, but like Johnny Walker noted, you won't be shooting much .357 through it.

The Judge is way too big for concealed carry but would make an effective house gun.

You can get a lot of opinions on this, but the bottom line is: a North American Arms mini-revolver in .22mag in your pocket will help you out a lot more than any gun you left at home cuz it's too big to carry, no matter how powerful it is.

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I have that same weapon, a 340 PD... That thing HURTS when you shoot .357 mag rounds! I practice with .38 special.
Thanks for adding this little nugget of wisdom - you are correct, it has a bit of a kick due to the lightweight frame. I stick .357 in it for carry purposes but practice with .38 as well.

As far as the kick is concerned - you will likely never feel the kick in a real shootout... you might remember pulling the trigger but when your "fight or flight" mechanism kicks in your body will focus on removing the threat.
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The Judge is way too big for concealed carry but would make an effective house gun.
I suggest a shotgun for a house gun.... Joe Horn style!!!

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I vote 1911.

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I vote 1911.
X2 you cant go wrong. almost 100 years old and imo is still the best.


But I would make one suggestion spend the extra $100.00 and get the mil-spec. The mil-spec comes with the 3 dot sights and a few outher extras.

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As a home defense gun, i dont think you can beat a 12 ga. shotgun. If your looking for an all around self defense gun, i would certainly give the glock 19 and 26 a look. Personally im more of a 1911 guy than a glock guy, but for a simple and easy to use pistol, you cant not look at the glocks.

Of the ones mentioned in the first post, id get the XD.


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Thanks for the responses. Looks like I may have to research this a little more.

I know that a shotgun is the best bet for home protection, but I want a handgun for the ease of storage and concealment. I just can't see fumbling with the shotgun as I try to pull it out from behind the sofa or bed. I know I can have a pistol ready to fire a couple seconds quicker. Plus I may eventually decide to carry (CHL).

The kick-back is a concern (my 9mm doesn't kick too bad) as I want the first two shots to hit their mark....ie: kill shots. I don't want the meth-head to be even more amped up after I graze his shoulder.

I have been shooting for years so I realize that I need to put a lot of rounds through whatever gun I choose at the range before I am proficient enough to have the confidence of being able to nail the perpetrator between the eyes.
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For what you have listed in autos look real hard at the XD I have one and love it feels so much better in my hand than a glock. But for cary like everyone else has said you have to actually take it with you for it to work. I carry my XD in the winter with more clothes or if I am going somewhere I don't feel comfortable but most of the time I carry a kel-tec 380 or a airweight 38 J-frame smith, just because these 2 are lighter and easier to conceel.
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OK the trip to the gun show ("but Honey, I told a dude on the forum that I would do some research for him") was awesome as usual...

Checked out your guns and all are good for home defense (I would still go with a 12 GA shot gun) find the one that fits your hand and has a nice heavy frame and the longer the barrel the more accurate your shots will be..... if you are talking about home defense then weight won't be an issue. I was not impressed at all with "The Judge" .410 revolver... it has a cool factor but you can spend your money on a better pistol IMO.

If you are talking about concealed carry then that is a whole different story IMO - the hammerless S&W 340PD is one badass pistol - don't let the $1,200 web price scare you I saw them for $740 everywhere today. For weight to firepower ratio there is no comparison. They make a little wallet thing that fits in your pocket and you will never know it is there - or you can do the traditional holster or whatever. I want it to look like a wallet and give ol' Mr.Terdbag a little surprise. You can shoot 38 special at the range (very little kickback) and load it with .357 to kill people (bad people) with - like I said earlier your adrenaline will take care of the kick during the real deal - you will do exactly as you have practiced. So practice over and over and over again and again so there is zero hesitation when it counts. You cannot beat firepower that is light enough to carry all the time, even in board shorts (what I was wearing today).

I also picked up a couple of tee shirts - had to replace my Infidel shirt (in case Mr raghead didn't know already) and a new one that says "Meat is Murder" on the front in blood red.. on the back it says "Tasty, Tasty Murder" and has a photo of a T bone steak Should compliment my PETA shirt (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals)


I am going to buy another one of the S&W 360PDs and put a set of the crimson trace grips on it..... might even shave the sights off.

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You guys seem quite experienced.

SO a quick question. I have heard that a shotgun is better for home defense, BECAUSE the spread of the shot will be less likely to penetrate a wall and kill someone in the next room, where a single caliber (pardon the lack of terminology) aka a .357 round, could inadvertantly travel through an intruder and a wall and another person.
And home defense is generally within 8-12 feet, and in the dark, during normal "sleeping" hours. So your aim might not be quite as good as the range.

Just curious, I will going down this road towards the end of this year, provided our socialist leaning government doesn't prevent sales by then.

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What I've always been told about shotguns for home defense, is that you want a pump-action shotgun. Not necessarily because it's the best thing since sliced bread, but because the sound of a round being chambered in one is one of the most recognizable sounds.

That is to say, if you pump it, and they keep coming, just fire - they're probably hell-bent on getting what you've got or hurting you no matter what.

With that being said, I have about 40' of distance between my bedroom wall and my front door - with no intervening walls, and no other entry points. I wouldn't want to spread shot that far and risk missing them w/ most of them. I have a baby eagle 9mm, that I use for home defense.

It's not a gun people rave about, but IMI designs weapons for use in harsh environments, and it's accurate as all heck. That means it can stay under my bed for months w/o me worrying about it getting all finnicky, and I can hit them in the doorway from my bedroom. That's all that maters to me in that case.

I just got a kel-tec in preparation for a CHL, as I'm skinny and almost anything else would be obvious on my frame.

So, I think what matters most is what your situation is? What weapons are you most comfortable with, and what are you trying to protect yourself against, at which times?

... I wouldn't worry so much about the government as I would the f&%$#ing psychos who keep blowing away cops and their families, making the point home to all of the populist politicians that want to look "tough" on safety and crime.

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At the range in my 9mm- I use a Winchester 115 gr. JHP (accurate & controlled recoil)

When locked & loaded in my house- I use Federal Premium 124 gr. Hydra-shok JHP.
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At the range in my 9mm- I use a Winchester 115 gr. JHP (accurate & controlled recoil)

When locked & loaded in my house- I use Federal Premium 124 gr. Hydra-shok JHP.
I hope you have plenty of the federal premium. I was told that orders are booked solid until 2010. Hopefully he was full of it.
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You guys seem quite experienced.

SO a quick question. I have heard that a shotgun is better for home defense, BECAUSE the spread of the shot will be less likely to penetrate a wall and kill someone in the next room, where a single caliber (pardon the lack of terminology) aka a .357 round, could inadvertantly travel through an intruder and a wall and another person.
And home defense is generally within 8-12 feet, and in the dark, during normal "sleeping" hours. So your aim might not be quite as good as the range.

Just curious, I will going down this road towards the end of this year, provided our socialist leaning government doesn't prevent sales by then.

Thanks in advance.

You have to be mindful of what is behind your target no matter what you shoot. Yes shotguns have shorter range and a steeper arc to the ground but dry wall sheeting will not stop it. You have to be ready to kill whatever is downrange no matter what you shoot. You can get frangible ammo (used by air marshals) but I still would not trust that drywall would stop it.

And as far as pump vs auto goes I have heard the same thing about racking a pump and have carried both (SWAT/street) and there is just something about a shotgun that makes people get their mind right. Hell I have seen people suddenly learn English when they had the street cannon in their face.

I personally don't care if they hear the pump racking a round in or not. Either way it will likely be the last sound that they hear. I carry a pump now and it sits within reach when I sleep.
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Thanks for the thoughts.

I haven't been around guns for almost 20 years now, and looking forward to getting back into it. Planning on LOTS of training time.

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After picking up the Kimber i have the 1911 bug now and want another.

The next one will be at least a 4" if not a 4.25" barrel, and then another, and another,,,,,

Theres just something about the 1911's, but they aren't for everyone.

I had to do a lot of research and reading before I got comfortable with kocked and locked (sad I have to spell it that way), but I feel its safer than other options out there.

Stu, the 45 doesn't kick as bad as you would think, and the longer the barrel you get, the less recoil, my ultra kicks for a 3" barreled 45, but it wasn't near as bad as I thought it was gonna be, although I need to get out and do some one hand shooting to see how it acts with my small hands,,,,

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Nice milspec Rockrash, I'd like to pick one up myself.

I also want to get a small frame SA, too bad I can't buy guns AND parts for the jeep, haha.

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