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post #1 of 44 Old 05-08-2008, 07:09 PM Thread Starter
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Cool, a guns and ammo section

Here's a few of my favorites:

This is my carry pistol, a Commander length STI, 18 rounds of 9x23:


SV in .38Super:


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Don't shoot this much, but love the way it's made, H&K P7M13:


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post #2 of 44 Old 05-08-2008, 07:15 PM Thread Starter
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Got a bunch of Glocks and 1911's, these are most probably my two favorites:

Glock 34:


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Had a nice Kimber CDP, but didn't like the lightweight frame so sold it:


Keltec P32 mouse gun for those times when something small is needed:


The night stand Glock:
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AR and 1100 I use for 3-Gun:


Another nightstand gun, Beretta FP2101:


Folding Keltec Sub 2000 for under the car seat:


Colt Sporter II, nice and light weight:
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Damn Phil. Didn't know your were a gun nut.....
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I find it easier to just be polite.
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I know ill be polite to Phil from now on....


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PhilD,. very impressive collection,..I wish I had you in the "Nam" with me, I could of actually got some Shut Eye & felt perfectly safe.

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Very nice Phil. That would be too many decisions for me though. It's hard enough trying to decide between the Jeep and the motorcycle on a nice day.
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Damn...you have more weapons than I have underwear. That is a nice collection you have going there. Looks like the money you spend on your Jeep is rivaled by your weapons collection. Very nice.

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I find it easier to just be polite.
A lot of polite unarmed people get murdered every year. I see it on my local news (Charlotte) every day.
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Damn...you have more weapons than I have underwear. That is a nice collection you have going there. Looks like the money you spend on your Jeep is rivaled by your weapons collection. Very nice.



A lot of polite unarmed people get murdered every year. I see it on my local news (Charlotte) every day. ;)
X2,,everyday somewhere a nice Innocent polite people get butchered by some punk, animal, creep that don't even care. Arm yourself, protect your family, then you don't have to stand there with your thumb up your a$$ because the wacko knows he gottcha.

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A lot of polite unarmed people get murdered every year. I see it on my local news (Charlotte) every day.
And they're murdered by Rambo wannabes toting guns "for protection". I see it on the news everyday.
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Very nice collection Phil!

As far as the politeness, as long as the bad guys are carrying, the good guys need to be too.


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And they're murdered by Rambo wannabes toting guns "for protection". I see it on the news everyday.
Wow...where do I begin with that one. You're confusing law-abiding citizens "toting guns for protection" with gang bangers, home invaders, drug dealers, etc. When's the last time you heard of a person with a concealed carry license participate in a drive by?

"Rambo wannabes"...there's a new one...
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And they're murdered by Rambo wannabes toting guns "for protection". I see it on the news everyday.
Most of the killings I see on the news are the result of politically correct parents who are ďpolite to the kidsĒ and donít teach them right and wrong. People need to raise their own kids and not expect the teachers and doctors to do it for them. I also see that almost all of the killing sprees happen at Gun free zones so law abiding mentally sound people cant defend themselves against the twisted little punk who must have needed a few more time outs in his life or maybe a new prescription to help him adjust to the real world.

Sorry this is something that gets under my skin a little. And I wont make it a habit on this forum.

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Oh and Phil very nice collection.

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Most of the killings I see on the news are the result of politically correct parents who are ďpolite to the kidsĒ and donít teach them right and wrong. People need to raise their own kids and not expect the teachers and doctors to do it for them. I also see that almost all of the killing sprees happen at Gun free zones so law abiding mentally sound people cant defend themselves against the twisted little punk who must have needed a few more time outs in his life or maybe a new prescription to help him adjust to the real world.

Sorry this is something that gets under my skin a little. And I wont make it a habit on this forum.
Well, it gets under my skin, too. Although I'm personally anti-gun, I have no problem with responsible adults owning guns and using them responsibly. The problem I see is that there are way, way too many gun owners that aren't responsible. And they're killing every day. The response of many gun owners is "we need more guns". To me, the problem is that we have too many guns and would be far better off with fewer guns. The more we promote guns in this society, the more killings we will have. Personally, I prefer to try and move forward to a more civilized society, not backwards to a less civilized society. We outgrew the horse and buggy, it's time we outgrow the need for "guns for protection", in my opinion.

The US has the highest number of gun related deaths of all western societies. Most studies have shown that having a gun in the house significantly increases the chance of violent death or suicide in the home. One can think they are protecting their family by having their guns. In some cases, that is undoubtly true. But, according to the scientific studies, the family is actually put at a significantly higher risk of violent death or suicide.

Everyone can make their own choice. However, if someone were selling me a new high tech electronic home safety feature guaranteed to fry a bad guy every time I would be interested. However if the fine print said that there was a 2 to 10 times higher likelihood that it would fry someone in your family, would you buy it?

As to your last point, I also hope this doesn't become a common theme on this forum. Personally, I'm disappointed that this section was added. This started as a Jeep forum. There are many gun forums elsewhere. Many Jeep owners are gun enthusiasts. Many aren't. Guns are a highly polarizing topic in this country. I'd prefer that we keep the Jeep forums Jeep related and let those that are gun enthusiasts go to the gun forums for that information.

Personally, I think this section should be removed.

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As to your last point, I also hope this doesn't become a common theme on this forum. Personally, I'm disappointed that this section was added. This started as Jeep forum. There are many gun forums elsewhere. Many Jeep owners are gun enthusiasts. Many aren't. Guns are a highly polarizing topic in this country. I'd prefer that we keep the Jeep forums Jeep related and let those that are gun enthusiasts go to the gun forums for that information.

Personally, I think this section should be removed.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but
No one is making you read this section.
If you are anti-gun, that's fine, but if you make the conscious decision to click and read the gun based threads in the guns and ammo section of the board, then YOU have chosen to participate in this discussion area.
There is no law saying you must participate in every single section of the board.
Take personal responsibility for your own actions.
Don't like it, don't read or post in it.
Seems pretty simple to me.

I'll probably never goto Canada, so the Canada section of the board is of no use to me and their posts probably have no interest to me, but I'm not saying to remove it. Leave it for the Canadians and those with Canadian interests and I'll probably never read it.
(No offense to my Canuck friends, simply using it as an example)


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Please don't take this the wrong way, but
No one is making you read this section.
If you are anti-gun, that's fine, but if you make the conscious decision to click and read the gun based threads in the guns and ammo section of the board, then YOU have chosen to participate in this discussion area.
There is no law saying you must participate in every single section of the board.
Take personal responsibility for your own actions.
Don't like it, don't read or post in it.
Seems pretty simple to me.

I'll probably never goto Canada, so the Canada section of the board is of no use to me and their posts probably have no interest to me, but I'm not saying to remove it. Leave it for the Canadians and those with Canadian interests and I'll probably never read it.
(No offense to my Canuck friends, simply using it as an example)
True. It just irritates me every time I hit the "New Posts" link and see all the gun related stuff. I just don't see the need to add it to the Jeep forum. If you're a responsible gun owner, fine. If you want that kind of information, it's available on a gun forum where you can share your thoughs with like minded people. However, you have to admit that it is a highly polarizing topic. Why interject it here and irritate or piss off a large number of people that just want to talk Jeeps.
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But at what point do you draw the line?
No camping threads?
No XJ/CJ/YJ etc threads (this IS JK owners and what good does an XJ post do me? I don't have one)
Should we ditch the ChitChat section too since it's not strictly JK related?
You are 'forced' to see those threads with the 'new posts' button too.
The way I see it, the g&a section is exactly like the chitchat area. Not Jeep related and totally optional to the "jkowners.com experience"


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However, you have to admit that it is a highly polarizing topic. Why interject it here and irritate or piss off a large number of people that just want to talk Jeeps.
I hear ya...but my experience here has led me to believe that we're all adults (EDIT: well, except for that C-rog dude and the whole "goodies" fiasco )who can carry on a discussion like this without anyone getting pissed off. Just be.....civilized.

Well, then again, this is a "new" section without much of a track record.

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and don't forget HOTDAD
there have to be a few socially inept in every large group I guess


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But at what point do you draw the line?
No camping threads?
No XJ/CJ/YJ etc threads (this IS JK owners and what good does an XJ post do me? I don't have one)
Should we ditch the ChitChat section too since it's not strictly JK related?
You are 'forced' to see those threads with the 'new posts' button too.
The way I see it, the g&a section is exactly like the chitchat area. Not Jeep related and totally optional to the "jkowners.com experience"
You could say that about any added section. How about sewing? Gardening? Liberal politics? Aroma therapy? Sure, we can ignore anything but somethings just seem out of place or inappropriate.
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You could say that about any added section. How about sewing? Gardening? Liberal politics? Aroma therapy? Sure, we can ignore anything but somethings just seem out of place or inappropriate.
And some aren't that far out.
Jeep enthusiast GENERALLY means an outdoorsy type lifestyle
many outdoorsy types like to hunt and shoot
do the fishing threads bother you too?
how about the ATV section?
What about the 'show your pet' thread?
The famous numbered pics thread or the word association threads are totally unrelated to jeeps...
I have pics of some of my animals in my member gallery, would you like me to remove them?

Bottom line is that evidently there is enough interest here to justify it's existance.
Lance - the man who OWNS the site felt like it was a good addition.
If he wants to put in a section about Scottish Kilt patterns and the tartan color and patterns relating to family heritage, well then if no one posts in it, then it will flop and go away. However if there happen to be alot of Scottish Jeepers on here, then there will posts, discussions and those who wish to read it, will. Everyone else will just have to ignore it.


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I know almost nothing about firearms but thatís a nice collection for an ex Brit Phil

gcg, Iíve been on both sides of this argument and gradually over the years become more pro gun. I donít own one but the more of these mass killings I see the more I believe I need to go get myself trained and start carrying. That, or hope someone like these guys are at the Mall when the some punk kid wants to make himself famous.
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Phil, that is a beautiful collection of firearms. I particularly like the AR. Who manufactured that? I love the look of the hand guard.

Gcg, as Venom previously stated, many Jeep people are also hunters, and outdoor enthusiasts. Many of us own guns, and a place to talk about firearms is a welcome addition to these forums.

You seem intent on making this section about gun control. If you're offended by this section of the forums, all you have to do is stay out.
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