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post #1 of 32 Old 11-03-2009, 08:20 AM Thread Starter
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Firearms on Airlines!?

I want to take my .45 ACP on a commercial airline flight from WY to Tx. I've read the TSA site on the rules. I still need to contact the airline later today about doing this. Has anybody done this and if so have you encountered any problems or issues that might be good for me to know about?

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Very easy.

Each airline has rules posted on their website. I printed them out (only one page for Continental) and carried them with me.

For Continental I had to have the firearm in hard sided luggage or in a hard side protective container of it's own (rifles obviously travel in their own case). For pistols, I usually just put a hard sided container in my luggage. The hard sided container had to have it's own lock and you have to open it for inspection by the airline personnel as well as TSA. YOU THEN LOCK IT AND KEEP THE KEY. DO NOT LEAVE IT UNLOCKED.

About 50% of the time I have airline personnel at the ticket counter that don't know their own rules. PRINT THEM OUT! This saved me the hassle of arguing that my container stays locked and I keep the key.
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Oh, make sure you follow the rules for ammo. I usually buy it whenever I go so I don't have to worry about the hassle but I believe that you cannot have ammo in the clip/magazine.
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Good idea on carrying the rules with me, thanks. I assume when I get to my destination and am carrying my baggage with me to the rental car, that is considered concealed carry, right?
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I would assume yes.

Check to see if you have reciprocity with the CHL to/from your State and states of travel.

To be safe, I'd just keep it in the trunk. Old Johnny Law can't complain about that.
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Very easy.

Each airline has rules posted on their website. I printed them out (only one page for Continental) and carried them with me.

For Continental I had to have the firearm in hard sided luggage or in a hard side protective container of it's own (rifles obviously travel in their own case). For pistols, I usually just put a hard sided container in my luggage. The hard sided container had to have it's own lock and you have to open it for inspection by the airline personnel as well as TSA. YOU THEN LOCK IT AND KEEP THE KEY. DO NOT LEAVE IT UNLOCKED.

About 50% of the time I have airline personnel at the ticket counter that don't know their own rules. PRINT THEM OUT! This saved me the hassle of arguing that my container stays locked and I keep the key.
That is exactly what I did and no problems. I did however take ammunition. I simply secured it in a seperate locked container. They put a big red tag on your bag that lets everybody and their brother who handles you bag know its contains a firearm. The last time I traveled with mine was to New Orleans a few years ago so I would make sure to check the airlines web site and print out rules and maybe call if it does not address the ammunition issue.

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Just so it's clear,

Not only should you lock the container but also LOCK YOUR LUGGAGE. They hand carry these bags through the process but many firearms "get lost" in transit. TSA recommends that you lock the exterior of your luggage with your own lock.

I went back and reread my post and I know i emphasized locking the container but also lock the exterior of the luggage too.
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Just some more input:

If you are delayed and have to change flights make sure you tell someone at the gate what is happening. No one knows what you are doing once you leave on the first plane. They're not supposed to but they can get you and your firearm seperated. If you let the Gate agent know they can notify the people to make sure your Firearm stays with you. Be proactive don't expect the airline to know what they are doing.

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Good advice. I wonder what the odds are of the entire luggage piece coming up 'missing'.
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Good advice. I wonder what the odds are of the entire luggage piece coming up 'missing'.
Better then average. Every agency involved with the airlines keeps track of lost luggage statistics. You can google and find out which one is the worst at loosing bags this month. My airline is putting out an effort to surface our ratings, we specialize at loosing bags. I will say, it will get back to you it may get more frequent flyer miles then you.

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Good idea on carrying the rules with me, thanks. I assume when I get to my destination and am carrying my baggage with me to the rental car, that is considered concealed carry, right?
Nope, not if it's unloaded and in a locked case.
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Labeling luggage containing firearms

I just found this posted on another forum concerning labeling.

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(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.
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Nope, not if it's unloaded and in a locked case.
And ammo stored separate from the firearm.
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Yeah, what they ^^^ said. I've traveled a couple times with firearms and it's much easier than you might think. I didn't have any trouble but I would do as thebigtman says and carry the rules with you when you go! Great bit of advice IMO. You might also want to look into getting a stouter box if you have one of those cheapie Walmart specials like I used to have (just to deter anyone prying up a side and peeking in). I personally prefer Hardigg or Pelican but they can get pretty pricey so look around.

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It was a hellava lot easier pre-9/11. I never even used to tell them. Just lock the bag up and go.


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Just so it's clear,

Not only should you lock the container but also LOCK YOUR LUGGAGE. They hand carry these bags through the process but many firearms "get lost" in transit. TSA recommends that you lock the exterior of your luggage with your own lock.

I went back and reread my post and I know i emphasized locking the container but also lock the exterior of the luggage too.
I thought it was against TSA rules to lock your luggage now? I remember them changing it after 9/11, did they change it again?


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You can lock it...just takes a few extra minutes for you to wait while they scan it and such.

See http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1666.shtm
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Most of the time it's not an issue, but if you lock it and TSA want's in it they will break the luggage. Even if you disclosed and they inspected it before it left. I've never seen it but I have heard of it happening.

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There are TSA approved locks that they can open without having to break the bag.
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i would just drop it in my wifes carry on. and when you get to texas dont worryabout the rules, we all carry guns down here. lol.

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I had a client in Alaska pre 9-11.
Those flights on Alaska Air were something.
Rifles in cases in the carryon bins, Husky pups either in carriers under the seat or just on a leash under the seat.
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i would just drop it in my wifes carry on. and when you get to texas dont worryabout the rules, we all carry guns down here. lol.
I'm going with my boss, not my wife (the other boss), but what the heck, I'll drop it in his bag, after all he is the boss. I figured you all carryed guns there, that why I'm bringing one. LOL. But now I'm afraid to bring my good .45 so I'm going to the pawn shop today and pick up one I wouldn't mind donating to some airline employee.
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I have traveled twice with a rifle. Both times it was very easy, but the gun case looked like it did a few rounds with the Samsonite gorillas...

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Learned something new from this thread
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Well, the pawn shop didn't have any great deals so I picked up a new Hi-Point C9 for $150. Ran about 50 rounds through it and it worked OK. I've got it packed in it's own hard case, separate from the ammo and extra clips (in their own hard case), copies of TSA rules as well as the airlines rules on transporting firearms and ammo. Both cases are locked; trigger lock on the 9; guess I'll see what happens. Based on what I've read and the feedback from this forum, I think things will go well. Texas here I come. Going to Jewett, anybody ever head of it?
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