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StubEXrube
04-05-2009, 02:20 AM
Personal protection/ close range/ low kick-back.....which (if any) would you choose- or please advise of others better suited that I don't have listed. Thanks

Baretta PX4- Storm- .40 s&w/ $?

Ruger GP-100- .357/ 4"/ $475
Ruger SP-101- .357/ 3 1/16"/ 5 shot/ $455
Ruger SP-101- .357/ 3 1/16"/ spurless hammer/ dbl action/ $455

Springfield Armory XD- .40 s&w/ 3"/ $565
Springfield Armory 1911-A1 GI Champion- .45 acp/ 4"/ $525

Taurus Judge- .410 2 1/2" shotshell or .45 Colt ammo/ 3"/ $475

StubEXrube
04-05-2009, 02:37 AM
Thanks BLUERUBI- I'll have to look into those.

I want the most stopping power but with as little kick-back as possible....without spending an arm and a leg.

I currently have a Taurus 9mm, and I don't think it has enough stopping power to drop someone where they stand.

guinness
04-05-2009, 03:51 AM
oh well you know what they say opinions, so here goes.

I understand that there 8.256 billion debates on appropriate calibers for self defense; however, i pretty much figure thats for the military and police to argue. If all else fails and I am forced into an armed confrontation I figure the bang and ouch should be enough to end it, no matter the caliber. If I end up facing some strung out speed head Ill stick to the plan (i live in NY) voice intent, shoot to kill, retreat and repeat if necessary. If i am in my home, then it is retreat,voice intent and shoot. (while on the phone w/ 911). I carry a Glock 19 in 9mm. 16rnds in the gun and 2 15 rnd backups.
9mm has done a good job in many a gunfight. Your initial choice .357 is great as well. .45 is a classic and .40 or .410 shotshell are all standards.

Based on your choices I would say
#1 if you go revolver .357 or judge cant be beat. .357 options are endless and there is no doubt about stopping power. revolvers are simple and almost fail-proof.

As far as an auto. All the same applies. w/ the exception of capacity and reliability.
Modern autos are extremely reliable(if properly taken care of) have high capacity(depending on state, caliber and size) and are quicker to reload than a revolver.


Now the opinion, and it is only an opinion.

Revolver in .357 pick what you like there aint nothing bad out there.
Taurus judge, i dont have any exp. but the thing looks to be pure genius.

Autos: Find something you are comfortable carrying/ holding, shooting and more importantly is reliable. (keep it clean).
Id reccomend H&K's though a little more$ and on the lower end $$ Glocks.
Both are fuctional and reliable in any caliber and have great customer feedback.
Worst ive heard is glocks are ugly(who cares) and H&K's are too expensive.
I have heard not so good things about the springfield x-series as far as performance and reliability.. Cant say anything about the Berretta storm xcept i never liked my shotgun so im biased,then im always open to if its good enough for the military its good enough for me.(ie 92f).

Ok got my .o2 and a little babbling in. I hope something helped, if not ill try to hit the thread again w/ less wind and more objectivity.

Mr.RonGilbert
04-05-2009, 06:12 AM
Stub, I am going to a gun show today and I will put my hands on the ones that I am not familiar with. The age old debate over wheel guns vs autos, .45 vs 9mm vs .357 etc... can be searched with endless results so I won't get into that....

My .02 is that you need to find something that gives you what you want for stopping power AND has a size/weight that will allow you to carry it. Once you find the right one then go find a good deal on it - even if it doesn't fall into your initial price range.... the bottom line is that you have to carry it first in order to be protected. I am a .45 guy (1911s) and even my Colt defender gets a little cumbersome depending on the clothes that I am wearing. If I wear pants (I hate wearing pants) it is no problem and if I have a decent belt with my shorts (preferred mode of fashion) it is not so bad. I am thinking about getting something that I can throw into a pocket for those times that I don't want to carry the .45. I had a .410 derringer that I shaved the sights off of - it was a nice pocket gun and had a cool factor of about 9.5, I shaved the sights off of it so I could draw it faster. The derringer was nice but I had to practice drawing and engaging the hammer (auto mod wouldn't let me say ****ing <--- haha) at the same time which took a little work.

I have not seen one of the Judges first hand but have seen the commercials etc.... a 5 shot .410 would get someone's attention with some buck shot... or a slug..

I like the Rugers and have owned the SP101 DA with the spurless hammer (sold to a friend)...

I bought the wife one of the S&W Airlites made of Scandium chambered in .357 and she loves it - so do I and am thinking about getting one for myself.

S&W:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&categoryId=50802&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15703&top_category=15703

JohnnyWalker
04-05-2009, 08:00 AM
I bought the wife one of the S&W Airlites made of Scandium chambered in .357 and she loves it - so do I and am thinking about getting one for myself.

S&W:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&categoryId=50802&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15703&top_category=15703

I have that same weapon, a 340 PD... That thing HURTS when you shoot .357 mag rounds! I practice with .38 special.

jonb96150
04-05-2009, 08:40 AM
the bottom line is that you have to carry it first in order to be protected.

x100! Is this a carry gun? If so I recommend a small frame .38 revolver. I have a S&W airweight bodyguard with a shrouded hammer so it can be shot single-action if needed. The scandium models are even lighter, but like Johnny Walker noted, you won't be shooting much .357 through it.

The Judge is way too big for concealed carry but would make an effective house gun.

You can get a lot of opinions on this, but the bottom line is: a North American Arms mini-revolver in .22mag in your pocket will help you out a lot more than any gun you left at home cuz it's too big to carry, no matter how powerful it is.

Mr.RonGilbert
04-05-2009, 09:09 AM
I have that same weapon, a 340 PD... That thing HURTS when you shoot .357 mag rounds! I practice with .38 special.

Thanks for adding this little nugget of wisdom - you are correct, it has a bit of a kick due to the lightweight frame. I stick .357 in it for carry purposes but practice with .38 as well.

As far as the kick is concerned - you will likely never feel the kick in a real shootout... you might remember pulling the trigger but when your "fight or flight" mechanism kicks in your body will focus on removing the threat.

Mr.RonGilbert
04-05-2009, 09:11 AM
The Judge is way too big for concealed carry but would make an effective house gun.


I suggest a shotgun for a house gun.... Joe Horn (http://www.mahalo.com/Joe_Horn_Shooting) style!!!

SDMF
04-05-2009, 09:35 AM
I vote 1911. :grinpimp:

rockrash
04-05-2009, 10:03 AM
I vote 1911. :grinpimp:

X2 you cant go wrong. almost 100 years old and imo is still the best.


But I would make one suggestion spend the extra $100.00 and get the mil-spec. The mil-spec comes with the 3 dot sights and a few outher extras.:beer:

STUPIDFACE
04-05-2009, 10:23 AM
As a home defense gun, i dont think you can beat a 12 ga. shotgun. If your looking for an all around self defense gun, i would certainly give the glock 19 and 26 a look. Personally im more of a 1911 guy than a glock guy, but for a simple and easy to use pistol, you cant not look at the glocks.

Of the ones mentioned in the first post, id get the XD.


corey d

StubEXrube
04-05-2009, 10:51 AM
Thanks for the responses. Looks like I may have to research this a little more.

I know that a shotgun is the best bet for home protection, but I want a handgun for the ease of storage and concealment. I just can't see fumbling with the shotgun as I try to pull it out from behind the sofa or bed. I know I can have a pistol ready to fire a couple seconds quicker. Plus I may eventually decide to carry (CHL).

The kick-back is a concern (my 9mm doesn't kick too bad) as I want the first two shots to hit their mark....ie: kill shots. I don't want the meth-head to be even more amped up after I graze his shoulder.

I have been shooting for years so I realize that I need to put a lot of rounds through whatever gun I choose at the range before I am proficient enough to have the confidence of being able to nail the perpetrator between the eyes.

red08rubicon_tx
04-05-2009, 01:22 PM
For what you have listed in autos look real hard at the XD I have one and love it feels so much better in my hand than a glock. But for cary like everyone else has said you have to actually take it with you for it to work. I carry my XD in the winter with more clothes or if I am going somewhere I don't feel comfortable but most of the time I carry a kel-tec 380 or a airweight 38 J-frame smith, just because these 2 are lighter and easier to conceel.

Mr.RonGilbert
04-05-2009, 08:32 PM
OK the trip to the gun show ("but Honey, I told a dude on the forum that I would do some research for him") was awesome as usual...

Checked out your guns and all are good for home defense (I would still go with a 12 GA shot gun) find the one that fits your hand and has a nice heavy frame and the longer the barrel the more accurate your shots will be..... if you are talking about home defense then weight won't be an issue. I was not impressed at all with "The Judge" .410 revolver... it has a cool factor but you can spend your money on a better pistol IMO.

If you are talking about concealed carry then that is a whole different story IMO - the hammerless S&W 340PD (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14766&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y) is one badass pistol - don't let the $1,200 web price scare you I saw them for $740 everywhere today. For weight to firepower ratio there is no comparison. They make a little wallet thing that fits in your pocket and you will never know it is there - or you can do the traditional holster or whatever. I want it to look like a wallet and give ol' Mr.Terdbag a little surprise. You can shoot 38 special at the range (very little kickback) and load it with .357 to kill people (bad people) with - like I said earlier your adrenaline will take care of the kick during the real deal - you will do exactly as you have practiced. So practice over and over and over again and again so there is zero hesitation when it counts. You cannot beat firepower that is light enough to carry all the time, even in board shorts (what I was wearing today).

I also picked up a couple of tee shirts - had to replace my Infidel shirt (in case Mr raghead didn't know already) and a new one that says "Meat is Murder" on the front in blood red.. on the back it says "Tasty, Tasty Murder" and has a photo of a T bone steak:D:D Should compliment my PETA shirt (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals):D
:beer:

I am going to buy another one of the S&W 360PDs and put a set of the crimson trace grips on it..... might even shave the sights off.

bfj aka tambil
04-05-2009, 09:18 PM
You guys seem quite experienced.

SO a quick question. I have heard that a shotgun is better for home defense, BECAUSE the spread of the shot will be less likely to penetrate a wall and kill someone in the next room, where a single caliber (pardon the lack of terminology) aka a .357 round, could inadvertantly travel through an intruder and a wall and another person.
And home defense is generally within 8-12 feet, and in the dark, during normal "sleeping" hours. So your aim might not be quite as good as the range.

Just curious, I will going down this road towards the end of this year, provided our socialist leaning government doesn't prevent sales by then.

Thanks in advance.

jkdrone
04-05-2009, 10:21 PM
What I've always been told about shotguns for home defense, is that you want a pump-action shotgun. Not necessarily because it's the best thing since sliced bread, but because the sound of a round being chambered in one is one of the most recognizable sounds.

That is to say, if you pump it, and they keep coming, just fire - they're probably hell-bent on getting what you've got or hurting you no matter what.

With that being said, I have about 40' of distance between my bedroom wall and my front door - with no intervening walls, and no other entry points. I wouldn't want to spread shot that far and risk missing them w/ most of them. I have a baby eagle 9mm, that I use for home defense.

It's not a gun people rave about, but IMI designs weapons for use in harsh environments, and it's accurate as all heck. That means it can stay under my bed for months w/o me worrying about it getting all finnicky, and I can hit them in the doorway from my bedroom. That's all that maters to me in that case.

I just got a kel-tec in preparation for a CHL, as I'm skinny and almost anything else would be obvious on my frame.

So, I think what matters most is what your situation is? What weapons are you most comfortable with, and what are you trying to protect yourself against, at which times?

... I wouldn't worry so much about the government as I would the f&%$#ing psychos who keep blowing away cops and their families, making the point home to all of the populist politicians that want to look "tough" on safety and crime.

!c

StubEXrube
04-05-2009, 10:23 PM
("but Honey, I told a dude on the forum that I would do some research for him")

"Meat is Murder" ...."Tasty, Tasty Murder" and has a photo of a T bone steak:D:D Should compliment my PETA shirt (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals)

LMAO :laughing:

At the range in my 9mm- I use a Winchester 115 gr. JHP (accurate & controlled recoil)

When locked & loaded in my house- I use Federal Premium 124 gr. Hydra-shok JHP.

Mr.RonGilbert
04-06-2009, 04:26 AM
LMAO :laughing:

At the range in my 9mm- I use a Winchester 115 gr. JHP (accurate & controlled recoil)

When locked & loaded in my house- I use Federal Premium 124 gr. Hydra-shok JHP.

I hope you have plenty of the federal premium. I was told that orders are booked solid until 2010. Hopefully he was full of it.

Mr.RonGilbert
04-06-2009, 04:39 AM
You guys seem quite experienced.

SO a quick question. I have heard that a shotgun is better for home defense, BECAUSE the spread of the shot will be less likely to penetrate a wall and kill someone in the next room, where a single caliber (pardon the lack of terminology) aka a .357 round, could inadvertantly travel through an intruder and a wall and another person.
And home defense is generally within 8-12 feet, and in the dark, during normal "sleeping" hours. So your aim might not be quite as good as the range.

Just curious, I will going down this road towards the end of this year, provided our socialist leaning government doesn't prevent sales by then.

Thanks in advance.


You have to be mindful of what is behind your target no matter what you shoot. Yes shotguns have shorter range and a steeper arc to the ground but dry wall sheeting will not stop it. You have to be ready to kill whatever is downrange no matter what you shoot. You can get frangible ammo (used by air marshals) but I still would not trust that drywall would stop it.

And as far as pump vs auto goes I have heard the same thing about racking a pump and have carried both (SWAT/street) and there is just something about a shotgun that makes people get their mind right. Hell I have seen people suddenly learn English when they had the street cannon in their face.

I personally don't care if they hear the pump racking a round in or not. Either way it will likely be the last sound that they hear. I carry a pump now and it sits within reach when I sleep.

bfj aka tambil
04-07-2009, 03:42 PM
Thanks for the thoughts.

I haven't been around guns for almost 20 years now, and looking forward to getting back into it. Planning on LOTS of training time.

kerryp
04-07-2009, 05:35 PM
After picking up the Kimber i have the 1911 bug now and want another.

The next one will be at least a 4" if not a 4.25" barrel, and then another, and another,,,,,:grinpimp:

Theres just something about the 1911's, but they aren't for everyone.

I had to do a lot of research and reading before I got comfortable with kocked and locked (sad I have to spell it that way:shaking:), but I feel its safer than other options out there.

Stu, the 45 doesn't kick as bad as you would think, and the longer the barrel you get, the less recoil, my ultra kicks for a 3" barreled 45, but it wasn't near as bad as I thought it was gonna be, although I need to get out and do some one hand shooting to see how it acts with my small hands,,,,

SDMF
04-07-2009, 05:39 PM
I can't resist posting a pic sorry.

http://www.jkowners.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4772&stc=1&d=1229483430

rockrash
04-07-2009, 06:34 PM
I can't resist posting a pic sorry.

http://www.jkowners.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4772&stc=1&d=1229483430

If you get to post up yours I get to post up myne:thefinger:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd248/rockrash2/059.jpg?t=1239150719

BTW very nice 1911 jason :beer:

kerryp
04-07-2009, 07:07 PM
Well if y'all wanna be like that.....lets just hijack the he!! outta this sucka...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/kerryp/Kimber%20Ultra%20Carrry/P1010003.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/kerryp/Kimber%20Ultra%20Carrry/IMG_0194.jpg

SDMF
04-07-2009, 07:14 PM
Nice milspec Rockrash, I'd like to pick one up myself.

I also want to get a small frame SA, too bad I can't buy guns AND parts for the jeep, haha.

StubEXrube
04-07-2009, 08:46 PM
So this is my 9mm. I know it's a piece of sh!t compared to those 1911's, but I hope to upgrade soon. I'm really lovin that SA- A1 that rockrash has.

kerryp
04-07-2009, 09:04 PM
Nothing wrong with that gun. I like the size of it.

Both of those other 1911's are sharp....

I've been looking at the Rock Island Arms 1911's. I haven't really found much negative on them and they are reasonbly priced, and the good thing about 1911's is that there are tons of parts out there to build 'em up better if ya want.

SDMF
04-07-2009, 09:18 PM
Nothing wrong with that gun. I like the size of it.

Both of those other 1911's are sharp....

I've been looking at the Rock Island Arms 1911's. I haven't really found much negative on them and they are reasonbly priced, and the good thing about 1911's is that there are tons of parts out there to build 'em up better if ya want.

I agree, nothing wrong with that 9mm stub.


Also, I love that there are so many parts for the 1911, it's like the damn jeep! I've changed out the MSH for a S&A mag guide, new springs, grips, etc. :beer:

jonb96150
04-07-2009, 10:11 PM
And as far as pump vs auto goes I have heard the same thing about racking a pump and have carried both (SWAT/street) and there is just something about a shotgun that makes people get their mind right. Hell I have seen people suddenly learn English when they had the street cannon in their face.

I personally don't care if they hear the pump racking a round in or not. Either way it will likely be the last sound that they hear. I carry a pump now and it sits within reach when I sleep.

The word!

Mr.RonGilbert
04-08-2009, 04:51 AM
I must admit that I am a 1911 guy as well..... I mine and have carried one on and off duty for years. I have .45 defender and a custom gold cup that are my favorite...

Here is a pic of the little one and I will get some up of it's big brother later this evening:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P3080272.jpg

I ordered some flattener to add to the Duracoat that will help lose the glossy look. It could use another coat anyway.

I want one of the lightweight revolvers to stick in my pocket when I don't want to carry the .45.
Personally I am not going to carry anything less than a .357.... I have seen too many people shot with 9mm and less that were still a threat even after taking a round. I will say that the 9mm +p does a good job though.

And no matter what you carry - with practice and proper shot placement you can carry just about anything. It is just that "pucker factor" that happens when you are either getting shot at or shooting at someone that is hard to measure. Shot placement is easy at the range or in a deer stand - not easy when the stakes are life and death....

RubiCajun
04-08-2009, 12:48 PM
LMAO :laughing:

At the range in my 9mm- I use a Winchester 115 gr. JHP (accurate & controlled recoil)

When locked & loaded in my house- I use Federal Premium 124 gr. Hydra-shok JHP.

Stub,
you've recieved advice on different calibers, pistols mfg's, shotguns, etc. you need to keep what you have and simply change your choice of ammunition. all of the above have one thing in common; they all can/will penetrate walls and put family members in danger. Frangible bullets will not. your 9mm has X amount of ft. pounds of energy at x distance, however most of the time a shot will exit the target thereby lessoning the ft pounds of energy that it would have had had it not exited the target. a frangible bullet will not penetrate the target, will not penetrate walls but will expend 100% ft pounds of energy into the target and cause extreme massive trauma. good luck. i've used these or similar (Glaser Safety Rounds) for years. check out this video..good music too...then go and buy some.
YouTube - Extreme Shock Frangible Ammunition and a dead watermelon! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPgcVhENbos&feature=related)

Mr.RonGilbert
04-09-2009, 06:30 PM
That vid is badazz!!!

After spending some time "researching" for Stub I couldn't stop thinking about how cool that little S&W Airlite (http://www.smith-wessonmp.com/item/68408_Smith__Wesson_Hand_Guns_Pistols_SW_163073_MP 340_C-Trace.aspx) was - the damn thing weighs 13.5oz!!! And shoots .357 magnums (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_Magnum)!!! I found one of the M&P models (http://www.smith-wessonmp.com/item/68408_Smith__Wesson_Hand_Guns_Pistols_SW_163073_MP 340_C-Trace.aspx) and I had to have it.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090242.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090244.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090248.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090250.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090253.jpg

I took some pics of the .357 vs .38 (same size bullet just different size cartridges) and threw in a .45 for reference.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090259.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090260.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090266.jpg

Now I have everything I "need".... full size 1911 (pics next), compact 1911 for concealed carry and now the .357 to stick in the ol' pocket of my favorite shorts.

life is good

:beer:

Mr.RonGilbert
04-09-2009, 06:35 PM
And I owed ya a pic of my favorite.... only put about 5000 rounds through it so far.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090257.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P4090258.jpg

SDMF
04-09-2009, 06:43 PM
Awesome 1911. :D I'd love to have that S&W too. If we ever move to a state were I can carry I will have to get one.

kerryp
04-09-2009, 07:08 PM
Nice new revolver Ron. I think the hammerless revolver is one of most underestimated concealed carries, thing I like about it is that it ca be fired from your pocket or from your wifes purse.

Its probably one of the best carries for someone that doesn't feel comfy with confronting an attaker outright, all you have to do is reach for the "wallet" in the coat pocket or purse, point, and squeeze.

Love the Colt, very nice....

Riverkid
04-09-2009, 07:32 PM
I love my Gold Cup. I have a Smith 945 and just found a Springfield TRP today I grabbed up. I love them .45's...;)

Ron I see you changed out the rear site as well on your GC. The factory one died early so I put a Bomar on mine...

Mr.RonGilbert
04-09-2009, 07:40 PM
Ron I see you changed out the rear site as well on your GC. The factory one died early so I put a Bomar on mine...

I love my .45s too.... almost went to .38 super when I shot IDPA all the time but I just couldn't bring myself to shoot anything else but my GC...

I put the XS Express (http://www.xssights.com/store/handgun.html) sights on them to speed up my "flash sight" technique and I absolutely love them. They took a little while to get used to but will have them from now on. Even put a set on my shotgun (http://www.xssights.com/store/shotgun.html)

:beer:

Riverkid
04-09-2009, 07:43 PM
I have those on my Benelli. They really stand out.

jonb96150
04-09-2009, 08:04 PM
Looking forward to a range report on that. I've been wanting a small .357 for a while. Was thinking about a Ruger SP101 but they are hard to find around here.

I agree with the post on concealed hammer snubbies being under-rated. I trust my S&W airweight bodyguard 100%. Goes bang every time. It stays loaded for years without worrying about magazine springs.

Ever have an auto-loader that only fires the first shot, cuz the magazine won't feed another round? Yeah, I know it is usually the magazine that failed but so what? You are now S.O.L. and maybe D.O.A. unless you can club the perp with what has just morphed into a blunt object! :bawling:

N39-W120
04-09-2009, 08:48 PM
I've had many shotguns and rifles... this is my first handgun Ruger SR9... Like how it felt in my hand and the 17 round mag:bounce:

http://www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/sr9-1.jpg

Mr.RonGilbert
04-09-2009, 09:11 PM
Looking forward to a range report on that. I've been wanting a small .357 for a while.

My wife has had one for a long time (cannot remember when I bought it for her) and I shoot it on a regular basis. We use 38 loads for the range and .357 for the street. The .357 jumps like a mother but is manageable if you take your time and focus on a good sight picture (acquire-sight-fire) and looking at the front sight....

I am going to get one of those laser practice things so I can get some quality practice in when away from the range.

homesickmarine
04-09-2009, 10:26 PM
I am a 1911 man also but you mentioned recoil being an issue. Personally for self defense you have to go with a revolver. IMHO. Practice with what you carry as a well placed shot is always better than a huge chunk of lead. Hammerless 38 spl. would be my choice with what you listed. Plus the 38 spl. is more than enough of a man stopper, especially with self defense ammo available now.

For home defense I will always chose a 12 gauge…if I have the time to choose. With that being said the 9mm yo have should do just fine!

StubEXrube
04-09-2009, 10:39 PM
Thanks to all- I really mean that. I never thought there would be this kind of response.

What I have so far come away with is this-

I am in love with the 1911's, especially that SA- A1, and kp's Kimber.
I also love that little S&W Airlite .357.

The dilemma now is whether to look into the above mentioned guns or stick w/ my 9mm and replace the ammo and become more proficient at the range. I guess a semi-auto just scares me if it jams- and it has (several times) when I was taking my CHL class.

*Truth be told- now I want all of these guns shown. :devil:

styx
04-10-2009, 05:54 AM
quick look from some one who works guns as a living, off your list. the XD is a good choice, it saved my life once. Look into the Sig P220 .45 if you want to spend more

Mr.RonGilbert
04-10-2009, 06:47 AM
*Truth be told- now I want all of these guns shown. :devil:

Yup.... that is how it happens :smokin: but it sure is fun.

Your auto should not jam. Either something is wrong with how you grip the weapon (60%) your weapon doesn't like the ammo (20%) or something is wrong with your weapon (20%) I would talk to a gunsmith.... change the ammo and fire some test rounds.... and make sure that my grip was sound (check this article out (http://www.handgunsmag.com/tactics_training/combatg_100306/)).

You have to have 100% confidence in your skills and your weapon if you don't want to end up a victim.

Lets all go to Gunsite (http://www.gunsite.net/)!!!!!

Mr.RonGilbert
04-10-2009, 05:37 PM
Check out the Ruger LCR.. looks like they took the S&W idea to another level. Still the same weight. Chambered for .38 +p and without the crimson trace grips lists at $525

http://www.ruger.com/LCR/index.html

kerryp
04-10-2009, 06:09 PM
Lets all go to Gunsite (http://www.gunsite.net/)!!!!!

ive always wanted to go to gunsite. wish we had something closer

Riverkid
04-11-2009, 06:02 PM
Headed to Front Sight for a 2 day course next week!:D

Mr.RonGilbert
04-19-2009, 06:47 PM
Headed to Front Sight for a 2 day course next week!:D

How about a report....?

Mr.RonGilbert
04-19-2009, 06:51 PM
I duracoated the defender and was not happy at all with how shiny it turned out. Much better now IMO:
Before dracoat:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P2200123.jpg

After round one of "matte" duracoat:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P3080269.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/Misc/P3080268.jpg

After a little "flattener":
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/DIY/P4190364.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/TheGman_/DIY/P4190362.jpg

07_Rubi
04-24-2009, 05:43 AM
Personal protection/ close range/ low kick-back.....which (if any) would you choose- or please advise of others better suited that I don't have listed. Thanks

Baretta PX4- Storm- .40 s&w/ $?

Ruger GP-100- .357/ 4"/ $475
Ruger SP-101- .357/ 3 1/16"/ 5 shot/ $455
Ruger SP-101- .357/ 3 1/16"/ spurless hammer/ dbl action/ $455

Springfield Armory XD- .40 s&w/ 3"/ $565
Springfield Armory 1911-A1 GI Champion- .45 acp/ 4"/ $525

Taurus Judge- .410 2 1/2" shotshell or .45 Colt ammo/ 3"/ $475
Check out the Springfield Armory XDM, I have one and LOVE it!

Mikey's Rubi
04-24-2009, 02:43 PM
I had the 9mm XDm and sold it. Great gun but a little big to carry. I have the XD 45 C now and it is killer (pun intended). Plus I also carry a S&W 642 now featuring a crimson trace laser (crappy for the day but great for night time situations).

Don
04-25-2009, 08:52 AM
I carry the Taurus PT-145 Millenium, yes the one that corrected the feed problems of the old 24/7 lol. It is a 45acp with a 10+1 clip and packs a nice wallop for the buck. I paid $329.00 for mine new in box. Hope that helps.

:smokin: