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: What has 24" of clearance, 37" tires & is almost ready?

10-24-2007, 07:27 PM
My trailer!


Here is the progress (finally) on my new 4x7 JK trailer. The lowest part of the frame is the torsion bar axles that are 24" off the ground. :grinpimp:

The trailer will have almost the same track width as a TJ so a little more narrow than the JK. It is 7' long to accommodate a little quad or a boat load of goodies.

Here is what it looks like so far.... Not a lot to look at but the sides will be on soon and then its off to the powder coaters.

Can't wait to be dragging it behind on the trail.







10-24-2007, 07:28 PM





Maybe I'll have it in time for the grand opening of the new Cabela's in Reno. :bounce:

10-24-2007, 07:37 PM
What is the plan for it? I mean do you use your JK for multi week camping trips or what? The Unlimited already has some much room. Just curious.........

Looks great.

10-24-2007, 07:37 PM
Were you able to make it the same bolt pattern as your JK? Looks pretty good so far.

10-24-2007, 10:17 PM
That's going to be sweet!

10-24-2007, 10:21 PM
I'm curious where you found this trailer coupler.

I scrounged a pintle off of a torn up Humvee to incorporate into my rear bumper, but this coupler looks like it will do the same function.

10-24-2007, 10:57 PM
Duke - You obviously don't know my girlfriend. :laughing: Seriously though we have a giant tent with two mondo huge cots with air mattresses plus our dog. The dog takes up the back seat. The story behind this is my girl doesn't like camping and I love it. So the only way she will go out is if I make her comfortable. So I have the trailer to bring the kitchen sink. Plus, I'd rather have everything in the trailer so I can stop, unhook and go play. I have plans on traveling to Moab from here on dirt roads and camping along the way. There is also the White Rim trail that I'd like to see all of it. So I guess the answer is yep, it will get used a lot. :bounce:

Gib, yep it's 5 on 5.

RedRockJK, Thanks! I think so too.

Gib, This 3 pivot hitch is from Adventure Trailers (http://www.adventuretrailers.com/). I found another one from Tough Terrain Trailers (http://www.off-roadinternational.com/tough.html) but they didn't want to sell one to the New Image Off Road Trailers (http://www.offroadtrailerz.com/) the shop making my trailer. :shaking: I originally looked hard at their trailers but decided against it after determining I'd rather not have a hard top.

There is a company out of Australia that has a pintle mount that has a rubber insert to silence it on the trail. I considered that but I'd suspect shipping was way more than the product. The racket of a pintle is the only reason I shopped for different hitches. This style should do the same function as the pintle only quieter and less jerky. ;)

10-24-2007, 11:10 PM
Good stuff. I'll be looking at 5 on 5 too so that I won't have to carry a spare on the Jeep. I'll keep a plug kit and a spare at the campsite with the trailer. So the 3 pivot hitch is supposed to be quieter than a pintle. Well I guess I'll have to do with some noise. I like the free factor, and I know how strong it is, I've been using pintles on the military stuff for over ten years now. It looks like those fella's at New Image are treating you right though. It looks like that will be a heck of an off-road trailer.

10-24-2007, 11:28 PM
No doubt that the pintle is tried and true. :grinpimp: Maybe you can ask the folks in the garage if they know of a source for the pintle inserts. You might have an inside I didn't. Yep seems like they have a good thing going.


10-25-2007, 10:36 AM
I have to add my .02
Get rid of the girlfriend! Keep the dog.

10-25-2007, 10:55 AM
Duke - You obviously don't know my girlfriend. :laughing: Seriously though we have a giant tent with two mondo huge cots with air mattresses plus our dog. The dog takes up the back seat. The story behind this is my girl doesn't like camping and I love it. So the only way she will go out is if I make her comfortable. So I have the trailer to bring the kitchen sink. Plus, I'd rather have everything in the trailer so I can stop, unhook and go play. I have plans on traveling to Moab from here on dirt roads and camping along the way. There is also the White Rim trail that I'd like to see all of it. So I guess the answer is yep, it will get used a lot. :bounce:

Gib, yep it's 5 on 5.

That's awesome! Have you been looking over on Expedition Portal for ideas? What's the goal for the finished product? Something like one of the Adventure Trailers? I'm gonna do something similar. My wife is of similar feelings as your girlfriend. And instead of a dog we've got 3 kids to fill up the backseat. :) So cargo space gets used pretty quickly.

Were the 5 on 5 hubs hard to find? I think I'm gonna use my stock wheels on the trailer.

10-25-2007, 11:52 AM
Expedition Portal (http://www.expeditionportal.com/) That's where my search/quest started. I had since forgotten the link thanks for the reminder.

Yep, something like the Adventure Trailers but without the tent and a few dollars less. ;)

I roughed up some cartoons for Rick at New Image Off Road Trailers (http://www.offroadtrailerz.com/) and this helped with the whole concept. Here in Nevada the desert is famous for eating tires and from my experience in Mining and biogeochemistry sampling we ALWAYS carried at least two spare tires. So both the Jeep and the trailer will have spares, so I will be carrying 2 full sets of tires for the JK. I will be carrying 2 - 5 gallon reserve gas tanks plus 4 - 5 gallon water tanks. Rick has suggested the products from PU-Products (http://www.pu-products.com/) and we are going with the 9x9 plastic cans. I have asked for a Hi-Lift and shovel mount up front and just behind the spare tire. Plus I have places for 2 large yellow top batteries. All this on the outside of the 4x7 internal storage space. Additionally the trailer will have electric brakes for control on the trail mostly plus the electric break-a-way switch. The electrical connection will be via an industry standard 7 wire plug and I'm modifying my LoD bumper to have the socket embedded in the bumper and out of harms way. I have the HellRoaring Technologies (http://www.hellroaring.com/) multiple battery management system awaiting installation for when I get time.

I think I have most of my bases covered but if you (or anyone else) wants to add their two bits, now is the time.

I'll see if I can upload my cartoons.

There are some local guys around here that do the expedition thing around Nevada. I'm hoping to hook up with them and gain some experience. I think it so cool that Nevada still has so many "roads" that are still dirt and explorable. Not to mention the many ghost towns and mining camps.

It was the prospect of doing longer excursions that was one of my primary motivations for getting the 4-door. :bounce:

Sorry crusty1007, but I'm keeping both. :grinpimp:

10-25-2007, 11:59 AM
Almost forgot...

I asked Rick for places to tie down stiff inside the trailer but I didn't want to be limited to a few points or by figureing out exactly where I wanted the tie downs right now. I pointed Rick to some flush styled tie down rails like you see in pick ups and such and Rick had a source for something called F-Track that was less money than what I found but fundamentally similar. So we are placing two tracks for tie downs, one along the bottom and the other along the top. This way I can really secure my load. :bounce:



10-25-2007, 05:31 PM
cool, thats what I would call a trail rated trailer...:beer:

10-27-2007, 09:51 PM
Dang, I was so hoping for some update pictures, but alas I have none. :bawling:

10-28-2007, 10:04 AM
I'm disappointed, I looked at this thread expecting to learn how to get 24" of clearance on 37's. I want my money back ;) :D

Nice looking trailer :smokin:

10-28-2007, 01:01 PM
Sorry Phil. No refunds. This is cash and carry and all sales are final. :laughing:

10-28-2007, 01:02 PM
I had to modify this bumper one more time. This time it was so I could actually use it for towing.

The LoD bumper did not come with anyplace to attach the towing wiring harness. It would have been nice had LoD at least allowed the utilization of the factory 4-wire JK harness that many may have opted for as a factory option. However I went with a slightly more robust trailer harness with the industry standard 7-wire plug.

The plug I purchased plugs in the factory harness plus has the extra wires for electric brakes, battery charger/power supply from a dual battery system and an aux power wire that is often used for back up lamps on the trailer.

I found these pdf files of industry standard trailer wiring diagrams. I did not create these documents and these are presented in their original form.

4 pole wiring dia.pdf (http://www.mjw.com/jeep/trailer/4 pole wiring dia.pdf)
Electric brake control wiring.pdf (http://www.mjw.com/jeep/trailer/Electric brake control wiring.pdf)
Trailer Wiring Diagrams.pdf (http://www.mjw.com/jeep/trailer/Trailer Wiring Diagrams.pdf)

I also added some quick link hooks so I can attach my trailer safety chains and the electric break-a-way controller wire.

Well here are some pictures of my modifications. - note I am not a welder. I have never been taught how to weld. I bought a welder and enjoy burning stuff with it. :p I need to add that I used my torch on this bumper to make the hole for the 7-way plug. I'm not a torch guy either, apparently. :laughing:

Here is a picture of my license plate relocation along with re-using the factory license plate light.

My CB antenna mount after I lost my CoolTech (http://www.cooltechllc.com/servlet/StoreFront) mount to a large tree on the Slick Rock trail which also took out my factory license plate mount. The CoolTech (http://www.cooltechllc.com/servlet/StoreFront) mount was the only thing holding my license plate on for quite a while until I actually relocated everything.

Also note how much better my steel corners from AEV-Conversions (http://www.aev-conversions.com/) would have looked had they NOT had the license plate holes in it. Hello AEV.... Did you get this. ;)

What the bumper looks like today.

And here is my most recent modification.

Note that this plug I bought at Napa utilizes the factory 4-wire harness that came with my JK and the towing package.

I have mentioned I like the "trunk" in my bumper.

Well that's my bumper/trailer update for today.

Now to go wire up my electric brake controller and my HellRoaring Technologies (http://www.hellroaring.com/) multiple battery system. Well ok the brake controller first. I still haven't decided on where I am putting the extra battery(s) yet.

I have a huge project in mind that has been postponed because I can't convince the guys at Gen-Right (http://www.genright.com/) to make a big safari tank for the JK. They said something about DC asking them to not build a gas tank relocation kit with safari tank to remove the factory tank and install a nice larger capacity beefier protected gas tank back to the original TJ location. This way I could move my air storage tank to where the gas tank was and mount my batteries there too. So everyone call and email Gen-Right (http://www.genright.com/) and tell them we want a bigger and more protected gas tank to be put back into the center of the vehicle and in between the rear frame rails! :grinpimp:

But since the gas tank isn't going to be moved in the near future maybe I should build an air tank to go where the JK "trunk" is after removing the trunk and put some batteries either under the rear seat or in the back area so they are still somewhat accessible for the Ready Welder (http://www.readywelder.com/).

Oh well decisions, decisions. Now I have more to think about while installing my electric brake controller.

10-28-2007, 07:29 PM
Hey, Michael, that trailer looks great! It has bigger tires on there than my tires :D The only thing is, is it stainless steal or somethin else, becasue I'm worried about that trailer rusting :laughing:

Hope to see more!

10-28-2007, 07:54 PM
Wow! very nice! Hey looking at your last picture, can you even see out that rear window with the 37 up there?

Just curious. :)

10-28-2007, 08:15 PM
Thanks Guys!

It's not stainless or galvanized but it will be powder coated if that helps. FWIW we don't have the humidity and rust anywhere like the East or any of the coasts. I have some steel I bought 10 years ago sitting out in my stock pile and it looks the same as the day I bought it.

Oh heck no. That's why I installed a rear view camera from RearView Systems (http://www.rearviewsystems.com).

Hopefully I'll get some more pictures tomorrow.

10-30-2007, 12:49 AM
LOL, Ahh yes I forgot you did that!

I should have got one of these for my wife, since she backed into another car backing up in a parking lot. No-Fault, no real damage.. $900 to the other car, but now my insurance is Double! I go have got the Deluxe Camera for just 6 months worth.

11-05-2007, 04:55 PM
Jose, the man that is the fabricator on my trailer is somewhat back in the saddle as his wife is still having some issues after an emergency C-section for the birth of their child. So our prayers go out to him and his family.

However Jose has been back onto my trailer project. And Rick has sent me some updated images.

So here they are!









I am starting to get excited. Obviously there was some changes from design to actual build but so far I am pleased. If anyone has any input, speak out.

11-06-2007, 12:10 PM
You might consider an aluminum, lockable storage box on the tongue and move the spare tire to the inside. This might help with aerodynamics on the highway as well. Metal boxes are about $99.


11-06-2007, 02:35 PM
If you like VSDPV's idea but don't want to put the tire in the bed, then it can also be mounted in front of your pass. side tire. It doesn't look like you have anything planned for that area yet.

11-06-2007, 10:41 PM
Thanks VSDPV! I do like the idea and who knows what changes may come down the pike at a later date. But for now I'll keep the spare up front as I drive a Jeep so it's not like aerodynamics are being compromised much more than a brick going down the highway.

Gib, I am actually getting holders for 4 total water/gas jugs up front and two in back so 3 on each side. But again not a bad idea and who knows I may want to change things around.

Thanks for the input guys!

Rick has promised me a couple more photo's but I haven't seen them yet so maybe tomorrow some pics with the sides installed. :grinpimp:

11-08-2007, 08:44 PM
Sweet lordie jesus I got me some more images of my trailer from Rick. This is all welded up and ready to go for a bead blasting then a powder coating in Jeep Green to match my JK.

I have to say that I am impressed with what I see in the pictures. This definitely looks like a trailer I can take off road and toss a quad in the back for hunting or to go get a load rocks for the landscaping projects.

I really like the welds and gusseting. I can't wait to load it up and take it on a road trip!

Hmm, I wonder what the weather is like now in Southern New Mexico or Big Bend National Park?

So the next set of images you will see should be after powder coating and with some of the electrical and tool boxes installed.

I am happy thus far!











11-08-2007, 08:46 PM









11-09-2007, 05:01 AM
man, tha's lookin better all the time. have any idea what it's gonna weigh?

11-09-2007, 08:35 AM

I don't yet know what it weighs but it will be weighed as part of the licensing process. I think the comment was, it weighs less than you think, until you add the 37" tires. :laughing:

11-09-2007, 11:10 AM
Looking really sharp Michael. I can't wait to see some pics of this behind your Jeep. Are you going to have them paint the whole thing, or will you leave the bed area unpainted?

11-09-2007, 11:28 AM

It's being bead blasted as we speak. There is still some time to consider this before the powder coating gets applied. I'm debating on having them powder coat the whole thing then I can scuff it up and Rhino-line or Herculiner the tub. If I have them just powder coat the whole thing then I can wait until later for the liner product.

11-10-2007, 12:07 AM
Looking good Mike, can't wait to see the build complete. I am thinking of having a trailer built very soon...just need to draw up some plans!


11-10-2007, 12:10 AM
I can probably help you out there Jason. Just tell me what kind of specs you are looking for and we will go from there.

11-10-2007, 04:13 AM
Will it have front and rear landing legs?

11-10-2007, 10:15 AM
It will have 3 jacks that are removable, one up front and two in the back. That way I can stabilize it when not connected of even over lift a corner to change a tire.

11-10-2007, 05:40 PM
I can probably help you out there Jason. Just tell me what kind of specs you are looking for and we will go from there.

I would like to build one like this with a rack to accomedate a pop up tent.


http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/5/11/10/f_milspecm_927da29.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/5/11/10/f_milspecm_927da29.jpg&srv=img26)

11-13-2007, 08:40 PM
Now we have color and the electrical is going in! Almost time for me to drive down to pick it up. :bounce:









I'm really liking how this is coming together!

11-13-2007, 08:49 PM
If you don't mind me asking, what does a custom built trailer like this cost?

11-13-2007, 09:41 PM
No, I don't mind at all Duke.

Your basic, basic box on wheels is going to run you about $3k. (http://www.offroadtrailerz.com/page4.html)

Start adding goodies and it goes up from there. As an example I added just $1400 in tires and wheels for my 37" tires.

There are several companies that build trailers. Some start off with basic kits such as the one in the link others start off with a very well equipped trailer and will even add the kitchen sink. In the end though the actual price differences seem to be be small in comparison (apples to apples) and the biggest difference being in design and use. As an example this trailer will haul a quad to a remote site where an Adventure Trailer as an example won't haul the quad but will set you up in style.

I would have to say that the least possible trailer would be if you built entirely yourself and have the skills and tools at your disposal, but if you figure that in, then it still going to cost 3-5 grand for the tools. ;)

FWIW, I checked a lot of companies and think I considered every single one out there and the costs where very, very similar. To the point that consideration was given to geographic locality as a factor. It just depends on what you are going to use your trailer for. $3k gets you a simple basic box. $5-7k gets you a box with some improvements and upgrades. $7-15k gets you a trailer with a specific use in mind and brings all the comforts of home along with you.

Oh and used trailers, they are out there. Some are quite the bargains. But I've checked around to enough of a degree to realize that you will need to be very patient and very lucky to get a "killer" deal on a good off road trailer such as the old Jeep trailer. I will add that those trailers are pretty well built but the ones I found were in pretty poor shape and decayed to the point of almost no return to those "restored" selling for the $3k(plus!) mark for an old beat up although restored used trailer that still didn't have all the electrical I wanted, electric brakes, the room and tie down locations, and the list goes on. I needless to say gave up my quest for a used one and finally just had one built to my specs.

If you find an old military trailer for $500 bucks buy it. I've seen piles of rust and rotten rubber sell for well over $1500 on e-bay.

11-14-2007, 04:25 AM
Lookin' good!

11-14-2007, 11:46 AM
It's lookin' pretty darn good, Michael. Is that factory Jeep Green? It looks a little lighter in the photo's. I hope I'm wrong.

11-14-2007, 11:53 AM
I'm hoping it is the lighting and crappy camera too. I hope that match is better than we think. But even still once everything is on board very little paint will really be exposed. But I'm still hoping for a better match than what I see too.

11-14-2007, 03:35 PM
So you have not seen it since paint? What a slacker! Looks good. Once my dad moves up after he retires I will be looking at getting an off road trailer of some sort. Hes thinking about getting another CJ5 so we can go play. :bounce:

11-14-2007, 10:57 PM
Ready for pick up on Saturday! Looks like I'll be in Santa Paula on Saturday and driving around my new toy. :bounce:









11-16-2007, 06:12 AM
Hey Mikey we are ready for you to come down and pick up your new toy after that we are heading to the Hammers for Goat Fest are you up for it?
Lots of Press will be there....get it....

11-18-2007, 11:48 AM
I'mmm Baaaaccckkkk! :grinpimp:

I left Friday at 5pm out of Carson City. I hit some of the nastiest fog I've seen in a long time at the 14/5 interchange and then drove the rest of the way at a snails pace, particularly on 126 as I couldn't see 15 feet in front of my Jeep and I was running the wipers to clear off the fog build-up on the windshield.

I arrived at Rick's house at 12:30AM. I did tell him to not worry about it as I could get a hotel in town but he insisted on putting me up in his toy hauler and I was feeling pretty bad that I kept him up so late. Then upon arriving I find that he and his wife both had stayed awake awaiting my arrival. But despite that fact I kept them up waiting for me they both made me feel welcome and Rick took me out to the garage (Man Sanctuary) to get a glimpse of my new trailer.


Ok now I am impressed. Very nicely built and all sorts of little "extra's" and a lot of attention to detail. But it is past everyone's bed time, including Daisy their min-pin that is just a sweetheart.

I have to tell you that Rick doesn't skimp on things and I had to reveal the story of the evil mattress they have in the toy hauler. I had just driven almost 8 hours and just had a glimpse of my new trailer and figured I'd be spending a good hour trying to fall asleep. NOT. They have one of those Temperpedic (sp) styled mattresses that conforms to your body. They have several layers of Mexican Blankets that wrap around you and makes you feel like you are back in your mothers womb. I think it took me 3, maybe 5 seconds to fall asleep. I know in the morning I was hesitant to get up and could have laid there and relaxed for hours. But my new trailer awaits.

In the morning Rick invites me into the house and proceeds to make breakfast burritos with eggs and sausage and bacon. Man it is rough being at Rick's house. His wife and daughter provide good company and conversation as the nights fog begins to burn off not only in my head but also outside.

After eating and conversing it's time to go back into the garage and start getting things ready so I can make the return trip to Carson.

Ok I can't say enough good things so before I sound like a used car salesman, let me you start presenting you with some pictures.

Here is the trailer as we measure up the hitch and receiver and find that my hitch was just about a perfect drop.





11-18-2007, 11:52 AM
Heading out of L.A. on 14 you go past Aqua Dulce Canyon and Vasquez Rocks.

I figured that would be a great place to get some pictures. Well it was pretty crowded so I pulled up a little on the way out and got some poser picks.

I didn't see Captain Kirk or the Gorn. Nor did the Flintstones invite me in for lunch.






11-18-2007, 11:58 AM
Hitting Lone Pine on 395 about dusk was not what I had hoped for but I think it worked out in the long run for some more poser pictures.

And no I didn't see Gunga Din, John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart or any giant underground Graboids. Although running into Reba would have been pretty cool.











11-18-2007, 12:01 PM
OK and one last batch as the scenery is just too awesome around Lone Pine to just take a few pictures.









Oh and welcome to Bridgeport!

11-18-2007, 02:29 PM
Looks good!


11-18-2007, 02:33 PM
wow, that looks great.

And holy shiiiiiiiit look at those gas prices... Gas is $3.06 here

11-18-2007, 08:45 PM
That is one great looking trailer and one great looking JK!

11-19-2007, 08:25 AM

if i had to pay that much for gas, id be driving a hybrid by now

11-19-2007, 10:28 AM
Awesome trailer, I like that you can throw a quad or a couple of sheets of plywood in it. Are you going to design/make a lid for it?

11-20-2007, 07:47 AM
Thanks guys!

And no, I didn't buy gas in Bridgeport. Every where else, even smaller podunk towns is a buck less than Bridgeport. For whatever reason the town has always gouged gas prices. They have good cheap coffee though. :grinpimp:

I will probably put on a tarp cover similar to the old Jeep trailer. I like the hard covers but then carrying a quad would be out of the question so a tarp is a good compromise.

If I did a tent I'd need to do very little modifications but Debbie can't climb ladders so putting a tent on top would make it unusable for Debbie.

I ordered my plate for the trailer yesterday.


11-20-2007, 08:33 AM
What did the weight work out to Michael? Looks great!

11-20-2007, 08:35 AM
I'm curious where you found this trailer coupler.

I scrounged a pintle off of a torn up Humvee to incorporate into my rear bumper, but this coupler looks like it will do the same function.

You can get these here also


11-20-2007, 08:41 AM
What did the weight work out to Michael? Looks great!1080


11-20-2007, 08:45 AM

Thats not bad at all for how stout it looks.. I like it.