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pacphnmn
02-06-2008, 09:09 AM
What are the thoughts of the forum group on installing an aftermarket fuel assistance system designed to increase your gas mileage tremondously (or, at least claim to)?
I have a 2008 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited X with Chrysler's lifetime drivetrain warranty and I am wondering if Chrysler would continue to cover the engine if this was installed? I am inquiring with the dealer (of course all dealers have their little nuances :shaking: as to what is covered and not) but I am going to check with Chrysler themselves (if I can) to find out.

Click on the link below and review and tell me what you think.

www.preignitioncc.com/pro

I was quoted $1,065 (includes shipping) and I would have to install it myself.

skibum
02-06-2008, 09:16 AM
Not to sound completely negative but:

1) If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. In these days of $3.00 + gas prices, every scam artist on the planet is likely to ooze out from under some rock to try and make a quick buck.

2) In my experience, Chrysler will use whatever excuse necessary to get out of doing legitimate warranty work. They have either never heard of the Moss-Magnuson Warranty Act, or they don't care.

Good luck anyway. If you do buy this, and it works, let us know. I, for one. would spend twice that for the gains they advertise if true. :)

John L
02-06-2008, 10:39 AM
Was that quote for both stages?

Bigjerm
02-06-2008, 10:40 AM
the Moss-Magnuson Warranty Act states they must PROVE whatever modification caused the problem in question. Example: a lift would not cause the window motor to go out. With that said, you may be in for fight if you add something to your fuel system and your engine blows.

And you said the price is $1065. On my side of the US at around 2.90 a gallon thats 367.24 gallons of gas or with my great 13 mpg 4,735.25 miles (for you stockers that avg around 19 mpg it would be 6,977.56 miles) I could drive or possible toss my money away on some garbage gadget

Next thing, the link says they are going to "break" the gas down so more gets burned... SO they are still putting the SAME amount of gas in chamber and expecting better results because of some magnets? I know another great product you should give a shot, the Tornado.

pacphnmn
02-06-2008, 11:12 AM
The quote was for the first stage only. I was told the second stage (not available yet) is going to run $3-4,000.:shaking:

I have seen/heard of the "Tornado" and agree that causing the air to whirl around will have no affect on mileage or power.

I have not invested in the unit yet and am trying to get a feel for other peoples opinion on it. I have seen/heard of the "water injection" into the engine which only gives another few miles-per-gallon increase. I believe this to be a similar product but more on a commercial basis.

Bigjerm
02-06-2008, 11:29 AM
I have seen/heard of the "Tornado" and agree that causing the air to whirl around will have no affect on mileage or power.


The idea with the Tornado COULD (as in MAYBE) of worked except the Tornado goes in the intake pipe before the Throttle body. By the time the swirling air went through the TB, into the upper IM and down into the runners all swirling was gone.

Same idea with this gas thing. Lets say you could "break down" the gas using magnetic and electric energy ( :shaking: ) and see a gain. The only way you could do this and it be effective is to do the break down process right before the fuel entered each of the 6 injectors. If you were to do it way back in the fuel line nothing stops the particles from bonding back together.

Slimjim
02-06-2008, 11:55 AM
IF it worked, it would be all over forums.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

WTF_LOL
02-06-2008, 01:03 PM
I agree with what everybody is saying. If it really did work that well this would not be the first time we would have heard about it.

Here is one problem I see. The air/fuel mixture is very important for keeping the combustion chamber cool and even the lubircation of certain parts. I find it hard to belive that this would be controlled enough to not run too lean or rich. If you run too lean, you get more power and better fuel economy but then knock events or detonation occurs which can lead to failer that would not be warrantiable with that device on your engine. The stock engine runs on the rich side to protect the engine. This is how most "chips" make power, by leaning out the AFR's. How would the stock computer detirme the correct paramiters when it is all calibrated based on what it expects to see. I mean, the computers math is based on a lot of assumptions. It assumes based on flow rates, air sensors, injector pulse width, o2 readings, load throttle positon and many other variables that there is a certain amount of fuel and air in the combustion chamber. This would F that all up. It must be so expensive because it would have to include some sort of piggyback ECU. In the auto racing world, there are many companies that have spent lots of money and hours on developing piggybacks or replacment ecu's and few have gotten it truly right.

This would change the dynamics of how the engine operates. It is not plug and play. I think the therory has some relavance. I think thier "plasma" maker dilly bob WILL make power and be 10x more fuel efficent. The problem is the engine would need to be designed from scratch to run on this and have any level of reliablility.

Just happened to notice this comment to that sounds a little scary!

When they shut off the engine, the researchers reported that it coasted on the plasma for another two minutes.

John L
02-06-2008, 04:07 PM
This is the one that got me...

We ran a 318 V-8 Chrysler engine on a brand new state of the art dynamometer (the same testing equipment that Detroit uses) at 3,000 rpms under a 50% load for an hour. This test condition approximated an 8 cylinder van with a 318 engine, traveling up a 30 degree incline for one hour, at 65 miles per hour. Before the PICC modification, the engine used 18 pounds of fuel. At an average weight of 6.15 pounds per gallon for gasoline, that would equal 2.93 gallons of fuel. Converting that into miles per gallon, it got around 22 mpg.

First off, when did a 318 equipped VAN ever get 22 mpg?
Secondly, if they have state of the art equipment, why are they measuring consumption in "pounds of fuel"? What is this an, aircraft accessory? Got "around" 22 mpg?:shaking:

I'd have to see this first hand to believe it. If this actually works as stated, wouldn't they have showcased it at the last SEMA show?

This is directly from the SEMA homepage....

The SEMA Show is the premier automotive specialty products trade event in the world (PLEASE NOTE: THE SEMA SHOW IS NOT OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC). It draws the industry’s brightest minds and hottest products to one place, the Las Vegas Convention Center. As part of the AAIW, the SEMA Show attracts more than 100,000 industry leaders from over 100 countries for unlimited profit opportunities in the automotive, truck and SUV, marine and RV markets. SEMA Show 2006 drew over 50,000 domestic and international buyers through two million square feet of exhibits. The displays are segmented into 11 sections, and a New Products Showcase features more than 2,000 newly introduced parts, tools and components. In addition, the SEMA Show provides attendees with educational seminars, product demonstrations, special events, networking opportunities and more…

I guess with a product such as this, you don't want the attention of 100,000 industry leaders, or the 50,000 domestic and int'l buyers.

Save your money and don't buy into this bull. For the 4-5K you'll have in this thing, you could buy a car that would double your mileage and keep miles off the Jeep.

PhilD
02-08-2008, 07:39 AM
As previously mentioned, I would have some conerns about the company behind the product, and their MLM process of selling this product:

UCSA seem to be heavily involved in MLM schemes, some of which raise the eye brow just a little.

http://www.bwanetwork.com/
http://www.deitechnology.com/
http://high-tech-energy-solutions.com/
http://www.ablemicron.com/

UCSA also have plans to "Revolutionize Electricity Production in America".

http://www.ucsofa.com/

I lost interest in UCSA and their products when I read:

What could the Body of Christ do with Billions of dollars a year to evangelize and re-instate Christian values in America?

The more you read the more you find references to MLM. I'd personally steer clear of the company and their products.

Comments like the following just raise the eyebrows even more:

It turns out that cheap, harmless and effective cancer cures have existed for generations and the “War on Cancer” is a fraud.

I was taught that George Washington was the first American president, the “father of our country” and a man who could not lie. In reality, he was an avaricious, slave-owning aristocrat and America’s richest man when he became president, getting rich partly from stolen Native American land. He was also the primary architect of the American government’s policy of stealing Native American land through fraudulent treaties in what may be history’s greatest swindle.

America’s fight against communism had nothing to do with protecting the world’s people from the evil communists, but was an effort to keep the world’s people enslaved to the political-economic system that the United States dominated, a system known today as global capitalism.

paragon
02-08-2008, 07:58 AM
I think I'll just go buy some plasma and pour it in my tank and see how well it runs

Alec W
02-08-2008, 10:02 AM
I think I'll just go buy some plasma and pour it in my tank and see how well it runs

Add about 2 tablespoons of sugar with each fill up (be sure to use premium gas or this won’t work). The carbon from the sugar breaks down the viscosity of the premium. This will eventually give you incredible millage. In fact, after a few fill ups you won’t need to put any more gas your Jeep.